Wednesday Dec 24, 2008

Israel Stories: Christmas Jews

Posted by Jeremy Cardash
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This time of year is always steeped in nostalgia. Every Anglo reminisces about the lovely atmosphere during the season of good will, looking at the lights, the dressed up shop windows and the decorated trees. Oh, and those cold winter nights crunching through the snow. Ah happy days! Well, go back then if it was so wonderful. I have nostalgic moments too and then I remember how bloody cold it was, how I was excluded from the office parties because I couldn't eat their food, drink their wine and didn't want to wish every stranger 'Happy Christmas' and kiss some drunk secretary under the mistletoe. OK, maybe the mistletoe thing...

I was more interested in rushing home to light Hanukkah candles and publicize the miracle of how the few vanquished the many, how we stood on the brink of extinction, culturally and religiously, to be saved by an army and leader who knew that the Hellenization of the Jews would have destroyed them just as surely as any holocaust.

So when I saw a posting on the Modi'in e-mail list about a carol service for Jews who yearned for the good old days in the US and UK, I felt sick to my stomach. I am still trying to fathom why these Jews would be so motivated to laud the coming of the son of god, in the little town of Bethlehem on a silent night in the snow, in a barn with shooting stars, Magi and a donkey. What's in it for them? Two thousand years of persecution, that's what.

Without our religion we would have ceased to exist culturally, we would have totally assimilated like the German Jews. Totally disappeared as a nation, a people, our history forgotten and our traditions resigned to the scrapheap. This may be a 'wake up and smell the coffee' moment. It's all very lovely, nice tunes but why not sing some good old Crusader tunes about the massacre of Jews or those catchy Catholic tunes about burning Jews at the stake or what about some of those memorable Nazi marching songs and to cap it all off we can sing 'Push the Jews Down the Well', Borat-style and watch all the rednecks clap along and join in. Have I gone too far?

The chief Rabbi of Ramat Gan summed it up in one sentence: "There is something masochistic about Jews celebrating Christmas, a day singled out by Christians for pogroms". Singing carols is celebrating Christmas - no two ways about it. There are those of us, in living memory, who suffered pogroms on Christmas, they weren't singing, they were clutching hold of their own religion, dying for it, not seeking harmless fun.

I can hear the creaking wheels of justification turning in your heads; it's no longer a religious event, it's commercial and cultural. Which incidentally I think is an affront to religious Christians who celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday. While I respect the Christian religion and think that the singing of carols is an integral and very important tradition there is no room for Jews in the cloisters.

This is what I think of Jewish carol singers: there is no reason to live in Israel unless you want to preserve the Jewish integrity of the country. If you want to sing Carols, eat pork and secularize or make the country Judenrein then why not live elsewhere. You may think I am over-reacting, you may want to flame my blog, but I think if you understand what I am writing, if you are educated and mature enough to realize what you are doing you'll stop this ridiculous event. If you understand our history you'll find that, singing Christmas carols is the most inexcusable affront to every man woman and child who died for being Jewish and creating a Jewish state.

In a country where parents can accuse a boy of missionary work for putting on teffilin in a Jewish secular school, surely this carol singing (justified as harmless fun etc, etc) comes under the same category.

The greatest of our oppressors have been Jews turned Christian or self-hating Jews. You may see this as harmless fun, may even justify it as a cultural event, but it's a slippery slope, my friends. A very slippery slope.

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1  |   Drew Kaplan, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Rockets are raining down on the South, Hebron is burning - but Jews singing about Santa Clause and one horse open sleighs are the largest threat looming over the Jewish people. Please.
2  |   Jennifer, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
So, unless you are prepared to preserve theJewishness of Israel do not live there! Does this mean conversly that unless you are prepared`to preserve the Christianity of the U.S. do not live in New York or Miami? Our founding fathers were all Christians who enshrined Christianity in the establishment of our nation. Is there a double standard here?
3  |   Joe Stein, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Remember the past but live for the future. Tolerance and co-existence goes both ways. Although I have never gone out and sang Christmas Carols , I don't feel that the carols equate to the persecution of my people. Living in the U.S. enables me to coexist with other people of faith and no faith. I am secure in my Jewish identity and have the total freedom to practice it in the way of my choosing. I am not advocating proselytizing but I think it would be great that non-jews sing Hanukkah songs as well as enjoy eating latkes and spin the Dreidel.
4  |   Debi, Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Yes rockets are soaring, but this guy is right. All our problems stem from a broader, deaper problem that has to do with Israel's people- making an event to sing christmas carols imply a major problem with our self respect and prioritys. If our nation had more self respect and pride- (sing chanukah carols together!) there would no be rockets soaring in the south. They wouldnt dare. Singing christmas carols and allowing rockets to soar in the south both stem from the same problem- self loathing, and weakness. We are too specal, talented and wonderful to act like cowards.
5  |   Rachel, Tel Aviv, Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Jeremy, fear of another's religion is a sign of a weakness in your own heart. People who are strong in their beliefs do not feel the need to denounce other's beliefs. There is nothing wrong in admiring Xmas, which is a beautifully celebrated holiday, despite the fact that it commemorates the birth of another religion's god. I have often had a Christian sit at our Pesach Seder, or join us lighting candles at Hanukah, and they - being strong in their own beliefs - enjoyed the experience greatly. Search within your soul, Jeremy, and be tolerant of others. It is a sign of strength, not weakness.
6  |   Alan Abbey, Jerusalem, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
It's precisely because I live in Israel that I feel free to enjoy Christmas rock and roll and pop - not religious carols - much of which was written (Berlin, Torme), sung (Sedaka, Streisand), Produced (Phil Spector - well, he's a problem these days) and played (Kenny G) by Jews. The pop Christmas of America is a Jewish invention - the ultimate joke on the Gentiles. Yes, Xmas in America can be oppressive for an identified Jew, but I refuse to live in a ghetto, either cultural, physical or spiritual. BTW, "Adon Olam" is beautiful when sung to the tune of "Silent Night."
7  |   Arthur Taub, MD PhD, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
What exactly, is a "Jew?" If not a firm adherent of Judaism (in one of its historical and current forms) what? Maternal descent is one way only to qualify to become one. Personal commitment is another. The jabbering or writing in what is now euphemistically called "Hebrew" (or Yiddish), is not. There is no "secular" Jew, and there is no "Jewish State" without Judaism. Judaism specifically excludes Christianity and participation in its holidays, including the singing of "Christmas carols," on Christmas. For a Jew to sing them then is to deny Judaism and Israel. No more, and no less.
8  |   Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Sorry to say, most people are shallow & superficial & this includes Jews. People have empty heads, what can you do? That's modern secular education for you. So many Jews have little or no Jewish education, practice almost nothing, & live in a world defined by popular culture. Their connexion to Judaism or Jewish identity is tenuous at best. Many liberal Jews show respect for other traditions (politically correct) but do not extend the same respect to our own traditions.
9  |   Laura Sanderson- Ashkelon, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
I always get a smug little smile to my self this time of year, and at Easter, when I think of a tiny little Jew who SINGLE-HANDEDLY took Christ out of Christmas and Jesus out of Easter. WHO - WHAT? Dear Irving Berlin, that's who and 'White Christmas' and Easter Parade, that's what!!!
10  |   paul david swinford Christian truck driver, USA/Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
I don't answer for things that people have done in the name of Christianity any more than I ask a Jew to answer for the things done by Jews in history that are bad. I celebrate Christmas but I've been taught early on that the Children of Israel are G-d's people. To bless His people is to be blessed, to curse them is to be cursed by G-d. The Bible is filled with those that met His wrath because of evil desires against Israel but I make no apologies for knowing Jesus as my Messiah. Christmas is a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish event, there is no getting around it. Blessings to G-d's children.
11  |   tom, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
And that Irving Berlin with his "White Christmas"....
12  |   Daniel-Atlanta, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
A good bulwark against assimilation during the Christmas season would be for all Jewish businesses to refrain from displaying any Christmas decorations and to refrain from sale of merchandise to Gentiles during December. This would allow them to keep their Jewish identity without being hypocrites.
13  |   Hank Shrier Jerusael, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
One of the joys of living in Israel is the freedon from the month long assault of "The XMas spirit". How many people who are reading this even know why the birth of Yeska is celebrated on this Day. Here's a big hint, it has nothing to day with the actual time of his birth. Far from missing the Holiday spirt, i"m enjoying spending a quiet Thrusday waiting to light the candles in a little while. Happy Chanucah
14  |   MarcH, Philadelphia, USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
As an American Jew (who sends his kids to day school and belongs to an Orthodox shul) I ask you to keep your ridiculous, bigoted views of Christians to your-self. Is there no pleasing you? Your Christian co-workers were kind enough to invite you to their party and all you could do was think of insults? Serious Christians are among IsraelÂ’s greatest defenders in the United States and also people of incredible decency. You could learn a lot from them. I wish a Merry Christmas to all the wonderful, moral Christians around the world. IÂ’m dreaming, of a white Christmas Â…
15  |   kad=Europe, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
This is a great blog.Jews should stop buying into this new secular, modern state, and Enlightenment stories from the West.The sons of Edom only want to see us get destroy.As a jew i feel always pressured in the West at christmas time.I hope i can make aliyah soon and get the hell out of here.I hate this galut.
16  |   Chris - NYC, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
To Marc H and others...This is quite obviously not an attack on Christianity but a plea against diluting the beautiful Jewish religion. The author even says he worries for the religious Christians whose chief holiday has been reduced to commercialism and paganism. Read before you write poeple.
17  |   Raymond Woodward, Hillsborough NC USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
As a Christian, I am moved to tears reading commentaries like yours about persecutions of the Jewish people by those who profess to be Christians. It is so very sad that the freedom that Christ brought to us has become a license to ignorance for so many. Jesus is a Jew, and Judiasm is the founding basis of Christianity. We should love and thank you. Please accept my apology for the way you have been treated, and please pray that God Almighty will forgive those who have persecuted you.
18  |   James Cohen, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
The author makes the childish and primitive case that if you want to live in Israel you have to meet his definition of what being a Jew is. This is the classic foundational logic of tyrants throughout history. Israel is a place where Jews can be free and freedom always means people are going to make choices others do not like. I recommend highly the author read this wonderful essay on being a Jew on Christmas. [ Link to page ]
19  |   David, Northern Virginia, USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
I retain the heart of it and move it to Succot, where it belongs. There is a special place in hell for those who have invented this garish and awful celebration, whomever they may be. Yehoshua haMashiach is the messiah for all and there will be no other. He knew nothing of all this mess we call Christmas today. I share the author's feelings but really, hello, can't you read Daniel 7? "I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, ... his dominion is an everlasting dominion" HE IS COMING! WAKE UP!!!
20  |   Mark Waggoner, Hampton, VA, USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Jews don't "turn Christian." When they accept Yeshua as their Messiah, they are still Jews, not Christians, but Messianic Jews!
21  |   Karen E. Florida, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Any lack of self-respect and self loathing is a result of a lack of obedience to the Word of God. for jews and christians alike. Jews and Christians are the ONLY ones that believe in the one TRUE GOD, Yahweh. Our God wants us to lean on each other looking ahead to His coming in Jerusalem. Recognize who the enemy is. It is not the gentiles, it is satan, and he rejoices when you shun true believers in the Mesach. Peace to Israel forever.
22  |   J. Bronston NYC NY, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
What in the world makes you believe that Hellenization -- rational thought and critical analysis -- was not more civilized than the warlike dynastic Hasmoneans? At least Hellenization evolved into humanism and democracy while our liturgy and holy writings are essentially unchanged. Two cheers for Hellenization.
23  |   charles, London UK, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Well yes, but let's get real. You are a lucky few who live in israel - enjoy it. We here in grey dreary London have to put up with the double edged thing that what is called a holiday frankly gets ever more like a commercial exercise...an orgy of consummerism....ENJOY it, respect others for their reliigion.Otherwise..you know where it leads! Shabbat shalom. don't complain - my wife decided in a fit of rage to get back at me and spend chanuka in Sharmel sheik!!!..like I said - enjoy not having to 'celebrate it'
24  |   Aaron, Jerusalem, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Who died and left you in charge of who is acting appropriately and who isn't? If you want to live in the past and see a pogrom behind every Christmas Carol then I have nothing but pity for you. You're right, it's not harmless fun. By singing carols with our Christian friends we're sharing in their joy and showing our love for them. The Christians who are living in Israel, sharing in our trials and helping us in so many ways deserve our love and respect. If you can't get your head around that then you're the one who should leave. You're ruining it for the rest of us.
25  |   Robert Woodstein Herzliya, Israel, Friday Dec 26, 2008
May the LORD Bless you, James Cohen, for your beautiful commetary :)
26  |   Jerry, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Jeremy: From your self-pity tone, you could learn human courtesy and dignity from the US Christians who invited you to a Christmas party. Carols have no place in a Jewish home. But neither does your uninformed ethnic dirge about 2000 years of Christian persecution. Read some history. 700+ years passed between Constantine and pogroms. East European yeshivas flourished before the monster Hitler. Jews in your blessed country of birth have enjoyed more equality than Muslims at your new address. Jews whining your oy-vey dirge are as off-base as Jews caroling Silent Night.
27  |   Jim Maclean Auckland New Zealand, Friday Dec 26, 2008
It worries and troubles me that someone feels so threatened not by anger and hatred but by their own insecurity. Those of us who watch from outside Israel and the US include many like myself. Born and raised Christian but now secular. We reject fear and hatred and judge people by their actions. The perpetrators of the Holocast and modern Muslim terrorists are simply evil but the worst and most calculating depend on a larger number of unknowing or naive to support them. Networking, communicating and understanding drain the oxygen the evil ones need to thrive. To me, it is this simple.
28  |   Oz USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
The greatest oppressor of the Jewish People are not Jews who have come to believe in Christ but Jews who do not permit others to do so
29  |   Rohan Sagar Guyana, Friday Dec 26, 2008
I was taught that the State of Israel existed to provide security for the Jewish people, and by this it was not meant physical secuirty alone.
30  |   Aviv Hodis, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Cardash is totally right. Kol kavod. Tzadik par excellence. Singing Xmas Carols is a total affront to our national, religious and cultural unity, although those elements are singular in the Jewish sense. It's time for Klal Yisrael to refocus on strengthening Torah Observance as much as possible. It is that which will save us in the end from all our ills. What I don't get is that why Non-Observant Jews who often hold either ignorant or anti-Torah opinons and therefore define themselves as Secular, then go off and practise aspects of non-jewish religiousity like Buddism and Christianity. Weird?
31  |   Ed Greenspanm Brooklyn N.Y., Friday Dec 26, 2008
It's about time that an article like this be published. The idea of Jewish people particiapating in Christmas events is absolutely ridiculous. As the article stated, on December 25th, pogroms against Jews occurred. While we must accept toleration of all religious beliefs, this does not justify any attempt to assimilate. Years ago, while shopping in a kosher butcher, the latter was angered when the customer asked if they'd be open on Dec. 25th. "This is not our holiday," replied the butcher, a holocaust survivor. Statements such as what that customer said will destroy us.
32  |   MarcH, Philadelphia, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Chris - Of course it was an attack on Christians. The author could have just cited a variety of Jewish sources holding that Jews should not associate with manifestations of Christmas (even when they are, of course, not actually engaged in Christian worship). Instead he gave crude, vulgar and one-sided descriptions of Christians celebrating their holiday. There is no reason why a Jew should not enjoy the manifestations of Christmas without engaging in Christian worship. What next? Place Jews in Cherem (ecclesiastical censure) for watching, "It's a Wonderful Life"?
33  |   Bob Smith, Friday Dec 26, 2008
You guys lack an appreciation for history. A few rockets rarely if ever toppled a culture. Get over it. On the other hand, the decadence of a culture, it's ability to concieve of a wondrous relativism to everything (why the heck shouldn't a Buddhist sing about Allah? sounds cosmopolitan to me!), is much more often damaging. Ask a historian. Incidentally, people who are disenchanted from their culture are much more likely to be miserable. Ask your psychiatrist. Merry Christmas!
34  |   Dan, Orange County, California, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Jennifer, please get your facts right. The founding fathers of the United States did not enshrine Christianity or any other religion into the establishment of the country. Instead, they established a country with a wall of separation between church and state.
35  |   Edie Adelstein -Roslyn, NY, Friday Dec 26, 2008
No wonder there was and I mean WAS 2000 years of persecution. This venal, mean article is an example.Of course all secular Jews i.e. support everything from Transgender right to marriage to partial birth abortion. But Christmas carols oy vey-such an outrage.
36  |   Dnona James, Warrnambool, Australia., Friday Dec 26, 2008
Jeremy, as a born again Christian I am startled that you have confused the practice of carolling and merchandising with religion at all. As far as 2000 years of persecution goes, I believe at the time Jesus was in Israel preaching, that the Romans were giving both Jews and Christians a hard time. Don't for a second think that Jews are the only ones to suffer. However, the frivolity and stupidity of people, who fall into Santa's consumerism instead of celebrating the real truth in Christmas are not necessarily Christians. If you asked most to cite a biblical truth they would be silent.
37  |   Joe, Baltimore, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Although I don't disagree, I would make two points. 1. In the USA there are winter seasonal songs that don't mention Jesus and do remind American ex-pats of winter at home. The most famous, 'White Christmas' was, of course, written by a Jew, Irving Berlin. 2. The pogroms tended to be around Easter when Christians think about the crucifixion.
38  |   Joe, Baltimore, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Reply to #2 Founding Fathers. It sounds surprising but many of America's Founding Fathers did not believe Jesus was God, they were Deists or believed that G-d created the world and then let it get on with its nature. This may be why Jews were so easily accepted in Colonial America. The Puritans, of course, looked heavily to the Old Testament directly, rather than Church tradition.
39  |   Dan, Friday Dec 26, 2008
I think Jeremy has correctly articulated a program and spirit which will prove disastrously destructive to Jewish Americans and the support of Israel by the United States. What is to be accomplished by positioning Judaism as in conflict with Christianity, and the USA as a battlefield for a religious war? The celebration of Laura Sanderson of a program to take "Christ out of Christmas and Easter" is disgusting and scary, and revives the vilest of stereotypes. Western civilization has moved forward from the middle ages- why try to drag it back.
40  |   Nadav, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Two points! 1)The writer is NOT attacking Christianity but the phenomena of Jews celebrating Christmas. If you don't understand that, you have a serious problem with Reading Comprehension. 2)A Jew who 'accepts' Jesus as the Messiah, is, quite simply, no longer a Jew but a person of Jewish origin who is now a Christian. To believe the opposite is delusional and comparable to believing that one can be a 'little' bit pregnant.
41  |   Cherry Hill New Jersey, Friday Dec 26, 2008
My son and daughter go to puplic school in New Jersey. They had to put on a "holiday Show in school". So here I am preparing for Hanuaka and listening to my children sing "driedel driedel" and Rocken around the "christmas tree ". Practicing for the holiday play at school. All I kept thinking was how I wished my kids could just be focused on thier holiday like in Israel. After reading this article I am proud of my children. . They are so proud of being Jewish. To be Jewish is to be diffrent. To be Jewish is to respect other peoples holidays while being true to your own...
42  |   Dani K. NYC, Friday Dec 26, 2008
I applaud the author. I work with Jewish college students and find that even passionate Jewish leaders on campus know little about their history, their heritage, and their homeland. There is little place for any non Jewish religious holiday to be romanticized, in Israel no less, within the Jewish community, when we barely can get people excited by our own holidays. Embracing other religions and holidays is just one step closer to the Greeks pushing us to assimilate. Learn ftom history. Respect Christians as people. But leave the celebrating of Xmas and other holidays to them.
43  |   Squall, France, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Congrats to the author ! Assimilation has killed more jews than pogroms. Even tolerance has limits. To Cherry Hill above : "To be Jewish is to respect other peoples holidays while being true to your own". Respecting other people holidays means to let them practice their religion, BUT NOT to sing with them !
44  |   Ben Ami, Tel Aviv, Israel, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Most of the posters here (except Rachel #5, and maybe another few) seem to be weak and full of self-doubt about being Jewish. Anyone with a strong healthy Jewish identity would not be scared of respecting an aspect of another religion. As Rachel says, it is a sign of strength in your own beliefs, not a sign of weakness. Daniel #42:Admiring the way Christians celebrate Xmas doesn't contradict the need for us Jews to learn our own history and heritage. One doesn't contradict the other. Maybe we can lean something from others, even if they are not Jewish! The world doesn't revolve only around us!
45  |   Adam, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Jesus was a Jew, so what is wrong with Jews celebrating his birthday?
46  |   Jason, Friday Dec 26, 2008
its great that we appreciate that others have thier religions and beliefs, this is what respect and tolerance are about - kol tuv - however, watching christisns singing songs, vs. singing those songs yourself, well that crosses the line - jews can be a be present perhaps of the celebrations, but not the celebrations participants. do we not recall how so many jews were killed rather than submit to becoming christians?
47  |   tom from connecticut, Friday Dec 26, 2008
failure to assimilate results in persecution. by creating a distinct and seperate entity from those around you you cause two now distinct groups to come into friction with eachother. It is obvious that there is an anti-christian bias to many responses here. Your attitudes are plain to see and when christians pick up on it, they will respond in kind. Seperate cultures, while beautiful, cause problems. It's time to start thinking about planet earth and of the whole human race. We should all intermarry and become one people. Killer asteroids, supervolcano's, the crack in hilo, nanopoisoning, etc
48  |   KB, Oregon, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
The biggest allies Israel has are Christians right now. And they are solid serious allies. I am talking about todays evangelical Christians in America. They are ready to defend your nation alongside you against a common foe and pray for your peace diligently. Your tone does not do the great nation of Israel any pride or justice. The reality is, the Christian Church is the only other group in the world besides the Jews that recognizes Jews as Gods chosen. Weather you agree on the issue of the Messiah or not you should not discount that they/we/I stand with you against any threat you face.
49  |   Michael, Silver Spring MD, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Living as a Jew in a country with a majority Christian population, I have never had the desire to celebrate Christmas -- even as a child. After all, I do not worship the physical Christian man-god. I worship the one true incorporeal G-D of Avraham, Moshie and Dovid. Oh, and Jeremy? Having two sets of German Jewish grandparents, I can assure you that not all German Jews assimilated. There were quite a few that remained Jewish to the core.
50  |   Jeanne, Idaho, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
A few Jews in Israel are enjoying a tradition that I grew up with, here in America, (even though I'm frustrated with the rediculous commercialization). I have childhood memories of walking on crunchy snow, bubble-lights on the decorated tree, and singing Silent Night only to discover as an adult that my grandmother, Catherine Elizabeth Strackbein was a German Jew who fled Russia just after the Czar was murdered. If I, as a Jew, immigrated to Israel and sang Silent Night on Dec 25, would Cardash revile me because of his insecurity? He needs to mind his own business, and this isn't it.
51  |   don the maccabee, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Jeremy,great article. Jews need to unite against assimilation. The Jews that sing the xmas songs are what I call our Uncle Invings' aka uncle tom. They have always been willing to sell out their people to Liked by the Gentile.
52  |   Simon UK, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Mate, Im not Jewish but I thikn yuo shoud jus relax & soak up the 'general atmosphere'.. its all about togetherness & happiness, an in the current economic and military crisis, theses nothing that needed more.. maybe your just righting to be emotive, i sincerly hope you dont really feel as bad as you make out ("sick to the stomach"). I kn ow alot of jews and all they want to do is be friends with people an not be judged for what religion they practise, but the way your talking, its like its "The Jews vs. The World", Stop feelin so sorry for yourself and enjoy your Hanukkah. Seasons Greetings
53  |   Danny,USA, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
I live in the US, I am a Jew, I have Christian relatives and I happen to agree with #40. The writer is not attacking Christians. He's merely stating that being a Jew means you do not celebrate Christmas, as much as one might want to be part of this beautiful holiday. No one is stopping any Jew from converting to Christianity and then celebrate Christmas, Easter etc. When I am invited to my relatives for Christmas, I ask that that they don't give me gifts, but instead make a donation in my name to a food bank in the area. I don't sing carols but I respect my hosts and their holiday.
54  |   Dan Beaudoin, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
I feel sorry for you Cardash, loosen up a little my friend. Respect for diversity is strength, and if you feel threatened by Christmas carols than maybe you need professional help. I grew up in Austria, to a French Protestant father (Oiiiiii, gewalt), and an Israeli (and by definition Jewish) mother. I always believed that Zionism is the ultimate test of one's commitment to the sustainability of the State of Israel. Making aliyah, serving in the military and raising first generation Israeli children beats bitching about carols.
55  |   Daniel Beaudoin Herzliya, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Cardash, excluded form their parties? I am not a believing Jew, so I have never had this problem of being excluded from anything, anywhere and anytime. You are what you project, even if your colleagues don't keep kosher, I am sure it is possible to be accepted without self-imposing a ghetto, dump the diaspora ghetto mentality, it is self defeating. So, in the meantime, I am raising a beautiful non kosher family, served in the army, sung Christmas carols, Buddhist chants, have had Christians to my house on a million occasions and lo and behold, all is well! Merry Christmas and happy holidays.
56  |   Susanna/ Shoshana, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
#2 jennifer-the founders of our nation did not enshrine christianity but the reverse -they Seperated Church and State-remember the little bit we were taught in school-mine was a bethJacob but I am sure it was taught in public school-about no longer believing "in the Devine Right Of Kings"- and in the Declaration of Indepence saying," All Men are created equal by the creator to Life ,liberty, and the persuit of happiness"(maybe it's not an exact quote)No, the founders of our Constitutional democracy definately believed in the Right of Man and John Adams said the U.S. was not a Christian nation.