Tuesday Dec 30, 2008

In the Trenches: Why Israel had no choice

Posted by David Harris
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Israel's military operation against Hamas targets in Gaza should have come as no surprise. The handwriting was on the wall. No more than any other country, Israel could not tolerate a terrorist regime on its border that was launching repeated rocket and mortar attacks - 200 in the last week alone - against Israeli towns and villages.

Some context is needed. Israel, which entered Gaza in 1967 after a successful war of self-defense, left the region unilaterally in 2005. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon faced down strong domestic opposition, indeed active resistance, to remove Israeli troops and civilians. He announced that Israel had no claims on Gaza and wished to see it become part of a peaceful Palestinian state living side by side with Israel.

This was the first chance in Gaza's history for its residents to govern their own affairs - something too many of Israel's detractors conveniently forget. Immediately prior to Israel's presence, Gaza had been under Egyptian military rule for two decades, during which there was never, not for a moment, discussion of independence.

But things rapidly spiraled downward after Israel left. Local elections in 2006 led to a coalition of Palestinian Authority and Hamas leaders, followed by a bloody Hamas coup d'état the following year. The PA was ignominiously expelled from Gaza, seeking refuge in the West Bank.

The choice of Hamas to govern led to international isolation. Hamas is defined as a terrorist group by both the United States and European Union. The international community set forth three basic conditions to engage Hamas - recognition of Israel's right to exist, an end to violence, and willingness to abide by previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements

To date, predictably, Hamas has not fulfilled any of the conditions. After all, its charter calls repeatedly for the elimination of Israel and, citing the infamous Protocols of the Elders of the Zion, spews hatred of Jews wherever they might live.

Thus, since gaining control of Gaza, Hamas has focused not on building Palestinian society, but rather on seeking to destroy Israeli society. With substantial help from Iran and a labyrinthine smuggling network across the Gaza-Egypt border, Hamas has turned Gaza into a veritable armed camp and munitions factory.

The result has been that Israeli towns near the border have been targeted, in recent years, by literally thousands of rocket and mortar attacks. As the range of the rockets has grown, so, too, has the arc of vulnerable Israeli population centers.

In truth, Israel's policy options have been limited. Negotiating with Hamas is impossible, unless Israel is prepared to discuss the terms of its own capitulation. Seeking a ceasefire or lull, as occurred earlier this year, buys quiet, yes, but isn't cost-free. Hamas used the break to enhance its weapons capabilities, train its fighters, and reinforce its command-and-control infrastructure, modeled on Hizbullah's example in Lebanon.

Hamas has counted on its ability to attack Israel at will, while relying on Israeli restraint. The terrorist group calculated that Israel no longer had the will to fight and risk military casualties in teeming Gaza. It also doubtless assumed that Israel would be held back by fear of negative publicity, since Hamas has, as standard operating procedure, skillfully exploited the media to focus on Palestinian civilian casualties, real or contrived, that inevitably lead to diplomatic and editorial condemnation.

This time, Hamas erred. It misread Israel. It opted to believe its own propaganda about an Israel fearful of striking, trembling at the prospect of a sustained barrage of Hamas missiles aimed at southern Israel, or worried about an exit strategy once it entered Gaza.

Until Saturday, Israel showed remarkable restraint, which Hamas read as weakness. But Israel has an obligation to defend its borders and its citizens. Clearly, as has been on display, it has the military and intelligence capability to do so. And, no less, despite upcoming elections, it has the collective political will. All these elements have been impressively demonstrated in the current military operation.

As soon as Israel struck, some in the international community predictably returned to formulaic stances.

Most Arab leaders, not to mention the "Arab street," condemned Israel, but what else is new?

Egyptian and Palestinian Authority leaders, the exceptions, noted that Hamas brought this upon itself. In truth, there are others as well who couldn't be more pleased that Israel is dealing a blow to Hamas and its Iranian paymaster.

The European Union referred to Israel's "disproportionate" use of force, but what exactly is "proportionate" in a situation where Hamas-led Gaza, part of the jihadist network, seeks a permanent state of conflict with democratic Israel?

The UN leadership called for an immediate end to the violence, as if that will in and of itself magically persuade Hamas to rethink its reason for being.

And that rather bizarre coalition of extreme left-wingers and radical Islamists - who, at the end of the day, have about as much in common as North Korea and North Dakota - resurfaced on the streets of London and other cities to burn American and Israeli flags.

Let's be clear. It is in Israel's vital interests to have a peaceful and prosperous Gaza on its border. This point needs to be hammered home again and again. Instead, it is faced with Hamastan, a terrorist enclave. What Israel is doing now is exactly what any other nation would do under similar circumstances. In fact, Israel has probably held back longer than many other nations, including the United States, would have done, and, judging from modern history, is exercising more care to avoid civilian casualties than many other armies, though that's particularly tough when the enemy callously uses civilians as human shields.

Some argue that there is no military solution to Gaza. Quite true. In the long term, Gaza's residents need to decide if they want a potentially bright future without Hamas or an assuredly bleak future with it. But in the short term, Israel must convey the clear and unmistakable message that it will defend itself. And that, to its credit, is exactly what it is doing right now.

Note: As promised, the "Ten Best News Stories of 2008" will appear later this week.

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1  |   Zoe, New York, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
Indeed, Israel had no choice and Harris spells out the reasons why. I only wish CNN and the BBC would read this piece. Their coverage has been despicable. They don't get it, mostly, I suppose, because they don't want to get it. As a result, Israel has to battle constantly on the media front, where it's deemed guilty unless proved otherwise. These so-called objective news outlets are anything but when it comes to Israel.
2  |   Fiona, London, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
One of the things I find oddest is, as David Harris mentions, the truly bizarre alliance of radical Muslims and radical leftists marching together here in the streets of London against Israel. The irony, of course, is that if those radical Muslims ever came to power, their first targets would be those radical leftists and all their beloved values -- gay rights, sexual freedom, gender equality, drug culture, rights to protest, etc. The only Middle East state that would protect them is Israel, of course. Doesn't the Leninist term "useful idiots" apply here?
3  |   Kaj Moslev, Denmark, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
Yes I also agree with what is said here. Since Hamas took over the power 18 month ago we were guite sue that things would ´take a wrong turn and Israel would have to fight back one day. I feel ashamed on behalf of my one country -Denmark that we so often get informed with only one eye focused on the palaestiniens
4  |   ADiplomat4GodsGovernment, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
If a thief breaks into your family home, can he claim self defence when you attempt to protect your home and family from his aggression? Does Israel's bellicose actions show that they are God's chosen people or does their cruelty and belligerent defiance of God's Law better define them as desciples of Satan the devil? Hasn't Israel again chosen to ignore God's Laws? Wasn't this the reason the true Israel lost the land God had promised Abraham? Doesn't the Ten Commandments say to love thy neighbor as thy self, not to steal (which includes real estate), and not to kill? Repent Now!
5  |   moshe, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
the Palestinian choose the Hamas government that not concerned the gaza welfare but only to make more killing!
6  |   Jon, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
#4, kindly come back down to earth. You have it backwards. Israel isn't "stealing" land. It walked away from Gaza. It doesn't want any part of Gaza. All it wants is to be left alone, but Hamas won't leave it alone. Why? Can you explain why Hamas has fired thousands of rockets at Israel since Israel's withdrawal from Gaza? Please, for heaven's sake (literally and figuratively), open your eyes and see what's so obvious.
7  |   BL Portland, Oregon, USA, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
Thank you. Thank you. I live in the USA and I no long trust our media's coverage of these events. And I am not alone. Everyone I know is fed up with the liberal, anit-Israel reports. Please note that that majority of us in the USA are for Isreal and your right to protect your land, borders and political and economic freedom. Thank you again for your report. Blessings.
8  |   Frankie: Dallas, Texas, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
I'm not a Jew, not even religious, but it's not a Jewish or religious thing with me. It's a right / wrong thing. Israel is a sovereign state which should not have to be persecuted and bombarded by its neighbors. Makes me sick every time you (Jews) have to go through this. I know if someone was lobbing rockets into Texas, that crap would be dealt with - but quick! To all Israelis’: Send those bastards to *their* God - it's where they want to be anyway, help them get there. If I could, I'd grab my weapons and help you. I can't - I can only send good wishes.
9  |   Chris Los Angeles, CA, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
Hamas is certainly wrong to attack Israel. But one rarely sees compassion or humanitarian gesture from the Israeli nation toward citizens of the territories it has occuppied for 40 years. Killing killers is one thing, but there are many innocents killed in those places, not just by bombs but by neglect. (Won't that breed more humiliated jobless aimless recruits? That seems the pattern so far. No?) In all honesty, I would have expected a Jewish nation to show more charity toward the innocent. Perhaps it's racist, but I expect more given your history of suffering. Is that wrong?
10  |   Mark, Charlotte NC, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
As a proud Jew, I continue to be saddened and embarrassed by the actions of the government of the State of Israel. There are rationales available to (cynically) justify the brutishness of Israeli behavior, but it is sheer madness to think you can suppress Palestinian reactions to the indignities of Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank. I stand as a proud American Jew adamantly rejecting the un-Jewish choices of the government of Israel. Being anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic. The assumption that Jews support Israel's actions just because we are Jewish must be publicly challenged. Peace.
11  |   Cinnnabar ( Canada), Tuesday Dec 30, 2008
Sorry Mr. Harris, but ..YES..Israel has and had many oportunities to stop this conflict ,long time ago. The lattest conflict is a extension of what has been going in the region for the last forty years. Israel has the right to defend itself.? Of course.. But so do, the palestine people. The only way to stop not only this conflict, but all the next ones, is "GIVE TO THE PALESTINIANS WHAT BELONG TO THE PALESTINIANS. That is the start...The peace will fall into place by itself. Obviously the country which needs to take de first step is Israel , they are the invaders.
12  |   Henry Sherman, Miami, Florida, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I sisagree; it is not true that there is no military solution in Gaza. AS Bret Peters wrote in the WSJ,"war offers no outcome other than victory or defeat." Hamas has declared war on Israel; Defence Minister Barrack has agreed that Israel is at war. It is a war that Israel must win and that means either the uncondditional surrender of Hamas or its total destruction. That is the way we foought against an evil that did not threaten to annihilate us. It is not enough for Israel to plead for the cessation of roockets. It must destroy the enemy's ability ever to fire a rocket again
13  |   Derek George, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Citizens of Israel, Take your land back. The land promised by God. There will never be peace with the sons of Ishmael. Remove their mosques from the city of David and make the fight the consequences to costly for them to endure. Their is no peace with Satan and that is what they are, children of the evil one. Do what is nescessary for your safety and peace of mind.
14  |   Håvard, Norway, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I would like this piece was published in the newspapers in Norway. That because It express the background for what is happening right now in Israel/Gaza.The Norwegian politicans and the newapapers in Norway work more as a extended propaganda network for the Palestinians. Thanks for a very informativ article. I wish many could red it!!!!
15  |   Ian, Wellington, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
"No more than any other country, Israel could not tolerate a terrorist regime on its border that was launching repeated rocket and mortar attacks - 200 in the last week alone - against Israeli towns and villages." Lets have some context. Ask yourself could the Palestinians any more than anyone else in the world be expected to tolerate attacks and siege by Israel without retaliation? For instance on 18 Dec launched an air attack on Gaza later that day the Palestinians responded with 8 rockets and 5 mortar bombs. Both sides can (and do) claim rights of retaliation.
16  |   richard bint, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Number 4 you have it totally wrong it does not say anywhere in the ten commandments love thy neighbour Christ proclaimed an eleventh commandment that said love thy nieghbour so before writing get your facts right
17  |   Ben, London, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Mr. Harris conveniently fails to mention the fact that Israel has kept Gaza as a virtual prison, controlling the flow of goods into and out of the area. As the pressure on Gaza continued, Hamas (the elected representation of the Palestinians in Gaza) fought back in the most effective way possible, with rockets. They have no army to take on the IDF, so they fight with what they have. Israel brought about this situation with their suffocation of the Gaza strip. I hope the world strongly condemns Israel and forces her to cease all hostilities.
18  |   Tim, Ottawa, canada, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
It is appalling to see the spin placed on these events by supporters of the Palestinians who quite likely, don't have a lot of empathy themselves for Hamas, considering their policies that allow continued death and destruction to rain down on innocents in Israel. These rocket attacks are unprovoked and cannot be tolerated by anyone with any sense of human dignity. Israel has exercised exceedingly commendable restraint and their actions in defense of their people is unequivocally justifiable. It is a tragedy that Hamas doesn't care as much about their own civilian population as Israel does.
19  |   Betoy Virginia, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Very Simple, Hamas wants to fire rockets at Israel? Get some of the simple towed 8" rocket launchers, and whenever Hamas fires one missle at Israel fire a hundred back. sweep Gaza from end to end. when a firestorm sweeps Gaza then there will be nobody left. Shalom
20  |   David, San Francisco, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I completely understand Israel's concern about Arab rhetoric & rockets, and the constant siege mentality it creates. But I fail to see why restoring the June 1967 borders and granting independence to Gaza and the West Bank is off the table. The 2002 Arab Summit declaration made it clear that all Arab nations that matter would explicitly recognize Israel's right to exist if that occurred. Of course, Israel should make a condition of land for peace that any further threat to Israeli civilians will be punished with overwhelming force. But why continue to use a stick before offering a carrot?
21  |   Norbert Lipszyc - BNAYA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
As I am writing this comment, I heard three blasts not far away. I am presently visiting in a rural village called Bnaya and we are in between Yavne and Ashdod, both towns having been hit by missiles in the last two days. At school, I hear the mothers talk about "what to do"when the siren rings, depending upon where they are. The old timers advise the new immigrants. There is no doubt for all , who have sons, daughters or husbands, or both, in the army, that what happens is what MUST be done. I also hear all be sorry for the Palestinians who suffer from the recklessness of their leaders.
22  |   Jon, Massachusetts, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
#4, please come back down to earth from your heavenly precincts. Exactly what "real estate" has Israel stolen in Gaza? And if Israel is not supposed to defend itself, how is it supposed to survive against well-armed enemies, including Hamas, that openly call for its total destruction?
23  |   David, San Francisco, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I completely understand Israel's concern about Arab rhetoric & rockets, and the constant siege mentality it creates. But I fail to see why restoring the June 1967 borders and granting independence to Gaza and the West Bank is off the table. The 2002 Arab Summit declaration made it clear that all Arab nations that matter would explicitly recognize Israel's right to exist if that occurred. Of course, Israel should make a condition of land for peace that any further threat to Israeli civilians will be punished with overwhelming force. But why continue to use a stick before offering a carrot?
24  |   Heth, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
ADiplomat, If you were repeatedly attacked by bullies, would you not at some point, have to defend yourself against the violence, or do you think it G-d's will to have you suffer so as not to break a commandment? The greater sin would be not to love and protect the precious life you have been given. And finally, Israel is a tiny parcel of land surrounded on all sides by the behemoth. Shouldn't we honor G-d's written will and give the land to it's intended tenants -- the Jews?
25  |   Rosario USA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
If rockets are the keys to Hamas's "success", why hasn't Israel been more serious about defensive systems? The American Phalanx shipboard missile defense system is quite mature, yet none have been purchased or deployed. Israeli engineers can probably design a much better system. That has to be less costly than this air campaign or a ground invasion.
26  |   Max Toronto Canada, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
David that was one of the most refreshing, intelligent, and authentic pieces I have ever read in all my years subscribing to this outlet. Its factuality and its common sensibility make it so. You chronologically outline this conflict for what it is, and exposes the basic realities of the situation, that so few come to see, or fall victim to the sheltering of their own news agencies. Its true, "common sense, is highly uncommon". By virtue of popular opinion around the world and their view of this unfortunate but needed action, I take comfort in knowing there people in this world like you.
27  |   D.C., Paris, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
*rapturous applause*
28  |   neville harman, Canada, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I salute the Isreal Government for finally standing on the right path, and protecting it's citizen. Enough is Enough. Ps. I salute to Mr Mohamad Abbas for his comment, He is right, Hamas could have avoided this situation. Hamas Please spare the lives of the ordinary palestinians. The Isrealis might be shorting but the Hamas hold the trigger. Long Live Isreal, Long Live Palestine[ Under the Fatah and President Abbas Government] Let there be PEACE. Life is too SHORT, Why make it SHORTER.
29  |   Sharona Jerusalem Israel, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
To Mark the Galut Jew #10 safely ensconced in North Carolina. Come live and work in Sderot for a year. Then open your mouth. The majority of American Jews has never even visited Israel. Your ignorance is both breathtaking and heartstopping. And a severe indictment of American Jewish education.
30  |   Kai Bjørntvedt, Kløfta, Norway, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I support the Isreal Government for protecting it's citizens from the Hamas. Many people in Norway pray for the Israelis and support its people from the cruelties from Hamas. The official media in Norway are hostile to the actions in Gaza, but many of our people support Israel despite the official comments from politicans and media.
31  |   Norbert Lipszyc - BNAYA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
As I am writing this comment, I heard three blasts not far away. I am presently visiting in a rural village called Bnaya and we are in between Yavne and Ashdod, both towns having been hit by missiles in the last two days. At school, I hear the mothers talk about "what to do"when the siren rings, depending upon where they are. The old timers advise the new immigrants. There is no doubt for all , who have sons, daughters or husbands, or both, in the army, that what happens is what MUST be done. I also hear all be sorry for the Palestinians who suffer from the recklessness of their leaders.
32  |   Norbert in Paris, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Response to 9, Cris from LA, You certainly don't see the reality of the situation on the ground. The day after the Israeli response to the numerous attacks on its territory, Israel sent 80 trucks of humanitarian supplies to Gaza. During the years since Israel evacuated Gaza, the territory has received billions in aid from Israel and others and all they have done with it is cause havoc in the region and misery for their people. Stop repeating propaganda.
33  |   Kevin with a Brain in America, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
If Israel held the same foreign policy towards Gaza as Gaza does towards Israel, Gaza would no longer exist. Its denizens would have been wiped off the face of the earth and its dwellings razed to the ground. It would have been annexed by Israel and restored to a peaceful, prosperous Eden. Israel's response is, indeed, disproportionate - it is disproportionately restrained!
34  |   Ric - West Palm Beach, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Let Cuba fire missles at Florida and see what happens. Let Morocco fire missles at Spain and see what happens. Let Alaskans fire missles at Russia and see what happens. Let Tibets fire missles at China and see what happens. Thousands of missles fired at innocent Israeli citizens and governments and media around the world put the onus on Israel. Now Iran is developing longer range missles. Deal with the puppet (Hamas) before the puppeteer (Iran) gives them better missles.
35  |   Matthew, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
I stopped reading at this line because it quickly became offensive to read such stupidities: ''Hamas skillfully exploited the media to focus on Palestinian civilian casualties, real or contrived, that inevitably lead to diplomatic and editorial condemnation''. That is utterly ironic: you emphasize the danger of rockets falling into Southern Israel, which caused no casualty before Israel started its own offensive, and at the same time dismiss the 360 Palestinian casualties, at least 100 of them innocent civilians and most of the rest police officers in training not related to the Hamas military
36  |   Mor Mel , Turku, Finland, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Israel is totally right in defending the rights of its citizens to live their daily lives in peace and security. Any other nation would have defended itself against thousands of rocket attacks after issuing a few warnings to the terrorist entity hamas. Israel instead has shown a great deal of restraint for too many years before defending itself. Now is the time for Israel to teach those who want to destroy it a lesson they will never forget. Israel should totally destroy hamas once and for all. I am proud of Israael, and its fighting men. God bless Israel and the Jewish people.
37  |   TSW from Nevada, USA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
One needs to take this article, print about a million of them and drop them over Gaza. Although I don't know what the Palestinians particularly believe, they need to know Hamas is not the best option and should work to get rid of them from the inside and not leave it to Israel to get rid of them.
38  |   Mor Mel , Turku, Finland, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Israel is totally right in defending the rights of its citizens to live their daily lives in peace and security. Any other nation would have defended itself against thousands of rocket attacks after issuing a few warnings to the terrorist entity hamas. Israel instead has shown a great deal of restraint for too many years before defending itself. Now is the time for Israel to teach those who want to destroy it a lesson they will never forget. Israel should totally destroy hamas once and for all. I am proud of Israael, and its fighting men. God bless Israel and the Jewish people.
39  |   Frances, Arouca, Trinidad, West Indies, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Thank you Mr Harris for cutting through all the propaganda and giving us the plain simple facts. Israel has no choice but to engage Hamas if it wants to survive. World opinion will never be with Israel but the Israeli government must do whatever it takes to protect the country and its citizens. I applaud the Olmert government for finally taking the fight to the terrorists.
40  |   Mark, Atlanta, GA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
How come the media won't portray this side of the situation? How come the media, especially that left of center "news" outlet known as CNN only shows the suffering of Palestinians? Why am I asking questions I already know the answer to?
41  |   Mark, Atlanta, GA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
To Cinnnabar ( Canada) #11: Sorry, sir, or madam, but a WAR was started with Israel and the enemy lost. Therefore, it is Israel's land. Exactly what part of that is so difficult for you leftist liberal pansy apologists to understand?
42  |   Keith, Hastings UK, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
How strange the world is! US/UK etc go to war in Iraq & in Afghanistan to pusue & defeat Islamic terrorists after proportionately small attacks (9/11 & 7/7), killing thousands upon thousands, whereas Israel is expected to sit there under rocket fire for years & do nothing!? And Gazans voted for Hamas, knowing its fervently committed to Israel's destruction. Western liberals seem to just not understand the depth of religious fervour & to project their world view onto Hams/Pals... wrong ,wrong, wrong ! They are as dedicated to fundamentalist Islam as any Nazi or Communist was to there evils.
43  |   Sergio de Leon Manez Manila, Phils,, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Israel needs to act swiptly and occupy the Gaza strip again and secures all areas for peace to continue on both for the innocent civilians living in Gaza and Israel.
44  |   Alana, Los Angeles, California, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
To Chris frm Los Angeles, CA, Tuesday Dec 30, 2008 No you are not wrong to expect the Jewish nation to show charity & compassion towards the innocent & humanity as a whole But plse open your eyes,don't u see that if Israel didn't do exctly that & attacked undescriminately there would have been literally thousands killed?! Israel is operating surgically in order to minimize casualties in a situation that bcme unbearable 2 israelis civilians living close 2 Gaza..if the people of Gaza were so innocent they would not have voted for Hamas into power knowing fullwell Hamas goal 2 destroy Israel.
45  |   Don, New York University, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
The comments from #11 and #17 reflect a mindset that I just don't get. It's as if they simply refuse to grasp the fact that Israel has NO territorial interest in Gaza, but has NO choice to be engaged because of Hamas's repeated attacks. And they equally refuse to distinguish between a democratic nation, Israel, and a jihadist, terrorist group, Hamas. Is it blind hatred of Israel driving #11 and #17? Is it anti-Semitism? What is it? Can someone please help me out?
46  |   Bob- Atlanta, Georgia USA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Honest question here- Can one be Anti-Israel and not be Anti-Semitic at the same time? if not can one be against George Bush and not be Anti-Christian? Is Israel a political or religious entity, or a combination of both? Thanks PS-I DO believe in Israel's right to exist and defend itself, just sometimes question its methods and motivations to achieve their ends.
47  |   EPP, California, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
Marc Jew#10, your comment on Israeli brutishness is offensive. Brutish are Hamas members who are uniformed, constitute an army and hide among civilians and who send rockets indiscriminantly into Israel to kill anyone in their path. Your naivity and ignorance are so typically American where Jews do not know what it means to be a Jew any more. And to other commenters: a reminder that the 1967 borders are indefensible and that Arabs will be also happy when the border with Israel is on the bottom of the sea.
48  |   dean staples Eliot, Maine USA, Wednesday Dec 31, 2008
No Need to apologize for ISRAEL. The numbchucks they are dealing with have NO B RAINS and are not civilizd. If they were they would be happy that Israel gave them GAZA for FREE!!!
49  |   Con Hayes Republic of Ireland, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
You are clearly censuring comments that you dont like i.e. the one I posted last night.
50  |   Ian, NZ, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
"Let's be clear. It is in Israel's vital interests to have a peaceful and prosperous Gaza on its border. This point needs to be hammered home again and again." Yet in 38 years of direct occupation and massively more money and skills than the Palestinians, Israel didn't achieve this. Surely that is vastly more of a failure than the PA and Hamas failures with little or no money and under constant Israeli attack and extreme siege conditions for 3 years. Israel repeated prevents basic aid getting in. A better reading of Israel's actions is that it never wanted a peaceful and prosperous Gaza.
51  |   Hannah, Sydney Australia, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
#17. Ben, what other nation would be expected to continue to supply power and goods to a nation that is unilaterally withdrew from, and that continues to insist on firing rockets at it? I am fairy certain that if Scotland were to attack Britain, that you would not expect Britain to provide goods and services to Scotland. Israel has closed borders not out of cruelty, but in response to Hamas' insistence on showering missiles on Israel. The Palestinians wanted a sovereign state. They have elected leaders, Why does it continue to be Israel's responsibility to manage the land they gave up?
52  |   Hannah, Sydney Australia, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
I would also like to act that #34, Ric, is entirely correct. Why is the onus constantly on Israel when it is Hamas that continues to shower missiles on Israel and perpetuate the conflict? Then when Israel retaliates, they suddenly want peace talks? Billions of dollars in aid has been given to Hamas (in addition to infrastructure that was left and destroyed by Hamas out of hatred) to create a state, and they have squandered it on perpetuating the conflict. Yet the situation of the Palestinians and their lack of infrastructure, health care and education is somehow Israel's fault?
53  |   Desert Storm Vet, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
I usually don't post on message boards but reading some of the comments here compelled me to do so. Was is not Israel that gave up land and settlements to the Palestinians a few years ago. Was it not Hamas that stated they would not recognize Israel. I know Hizbollah doesn't but that is another story. What I've seen so far is this: Hamas continues to fire rockets into Sredot & other regions in the south yet Israel gets the criticism she should show restraint & not retaliate against Hamas (this according to the pacifist/ leftist human shield crowd). This is fast becoming a proxy war with Iran.
54  |   david norway, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
SO TRUE SO TRUE !
55  |   John Watchman Canada, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
Remember that little test flight of Israeli planes in the direction of Iran? The policies of American, Israeli, Egyptian and other Arab states have been in motion for a long time back to the 60's and 70's. You cannot blame Bush, Carter, Regan or many of the Israeli presidents. They are just party figure heads. Now I think something big is going down. Iraq has been subdued and some other Arab states have toned down the saber rattling, the start of the 2009 push against Iran has begun . . .
56  |   sharon MI USA, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
I support you 100% sharon MI USA
57  |   Judyg in New York City, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
i fail to see what there is to discuss or explain. israel finally took action against terrorists who murder israeli citizens. suicide bombers who are darnnit, unable because of the "Fence", to do their suicidal bombings. miscreants who are crazy in the head, and people are debating this? hamas is part of a worldwide psychotic terror organization, each with different names and the same goals, unified both in spirit and in fact. "world opinion" is a laugh. what cringing cowards to let israel take out these murderous bastards alone. hamas,wants to go to allah, good. you're there. next up!
58  |   Charlie, Chicago, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
I would like to point out the reality that although terrorism does exist in the region, it exists for a reason. These people were not born supporters of Hamas, but rather created as supporters as a result of their living conditions. Hamas gained power for a reason and has support because the people in Gaza are being oppressed. This is simply evidence of how complicated this situation truly is. This is not meant to be justification for violence, but rather reasoning behind it.
59  |   John Coventry, Santa Fe, NM, USA, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
Do you ever publish opposing view or comments?
60  |   John Coventry, Santa Fe, NM, USA, Thursday Jan 01, 2009
#49, I agree. I to tried to comment with civility an opposing view and of course then comment wasn't publish.