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Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
In the Trenches: Separating fact from fiction Posted by David Harris
Comments: 69
Recently, I met a gentleman at a dinner. He asked me what I do. I said I work for AJC. He replied that he had once been a member, but quit because we weren't sufficiently "pro-peace." When I pursued the point, he said that the decision to make peace was in Israel's hands, but no one would make it, and groups like AJC were too busy "protecting" the Israeli government. In a similar vein, the lead letter in the August 18th issue of The Jerusalem Report, written by Martin J. Weisman of California, stated: "I have to conclude that Israel may never have peace. The greatest obstacle to a two-state solution, and a source of great frustration for Israel's friends, are the West Bank settlements mostly inhabited by religious Zionists." And in an exchange between British blogger Joy Wolfe and leaders of the "Free Gaza" campaign - which recently sent two boats to Gaza in the hope of garnering media attention - an Israeli-based member, Angela Godfrey-Goldstein, condemned Israel for "collective punishment of 1.5 million people," "war crimes," and "crimes against humanity," and described Gaza as "an open prison, a sort of concentration camp - most of those people perfectly innocent ordinary human beings who want to be at peace with us..." All this, she argued, "is about as far from Judaism as I can imagine." Of course, these comments are not unique. They reveal a certain mindset among those who profess friendship and concern for Israel, yet are incapable or unwilling, or both, to grasp two central points. First, the vast majority of Israelis desperately yearn for peace and would support a deal tomorrow with the Palestinians (and Syrians), entailing major territorial concessions, if they believed such an accord were possible - and durable. With the exception of a few zealots, perhaps, Israelis don't need to be pushed, prodded, cajoled, or nudged to seek a peace settlement. Israel was established to create permanent security, not permanent conflict, for its residents. Second, those who place the onus for peace entirely on Israel do a disservice to the truth, not to mention the quest for a settlement. By lifting responsibility from the shoulders of the Palestinians and their supporters, they reinforce the notion that it is the Israelis, not the Palestinians, who must change their behavior - or face condemnation. Think about it. Israel faces an unprecedented security environment. To the north, Hizbullah has strengthened its military and political position in Lebanon since the inconclusive 2006 war with Israel. Its arsenal now includes missiles that can reportedly reach two-thirds of Israel, whereas two years ago "only" the northern third was within reach. Weeks ago, Lebanon took an official day off to welcome Samir Kuntar, the unrepentant terrorist released in the swap with Israel, whose greatest claim to fame was the murder of a four-year-old girl. Syria was clandestinely moving toward a nuclear capability until Israel ended that dream one year ago this month. Despite indirect talks with Israel hosted by Turkey, Damascus continues to funnel weapons to Hizbullah, host terrorist groups whose aim is Israel's destruction, cavort with Iran, and now flirt with a resurgent Russia. Syria is on a military shopping spree in Moscow and, like Venezuela, has offered to provide military bases for Russia. Gaza, while less in the news these days, remains in the hands of Hamas, a group voted into power by "those perfectly innocent, ordinary human beings who want to be at peace with us," in the words of Ms. Godfrey-Goldstein. Let's be clear. When Israel left Gaza three years ago, its future was to be determined by the Palestinians, not the Israelis. Even so, it was in Israel's interests, as a neighboring state, to see a peaceful, prosperous Gaza emerge, not a failed, dysfunctional incubator for radicalism. Yet that's exactly what we have. Does anyone doubt that Hamas is using this temporary lull to strengthen its combat capacity, along the lines of Hizbullah in Lebanon? Have the missile and mortar attacks on Sderot and Ashkelon been so quickly forgotten? Has Hamas's charter, which denies Israel's right to exist and doesn't have many kind words for Jews generally, been altered? How can Israel, which has an obligation, like any nation, to ensure the safety of its citizens, simply ignore these unassailable facts about Gaza? On the West Bank, yes, the Palestinian leadership is widely viewed as more moderate than Hamas. Peace talks are ongoing, though, despite American hopes, negotiators are seeking to dampen expectations of a final deal anytime soon. From Israel's perspective, the problems are many. The Palestinian Authority is weak. Its signals are mixed. Why, for example, did its leader, President Mahmoud Abbas, praise Kuntar, the child murderer, on the day of his release and, more recently, meet him during a visit to Lebanon? And should the PA ever lose its grip on power to Hamas, as it did in Gaza, then what would be the implications for Israel, surrounded on three sides by Iranian-backed enemies who seek its annihilation? And then there is the ever longer shadow of Iran itself. Can Teheran's call for a world without Israel simply be dismissed as rhetorical excess? Iran's growing military power, combined with its allies Syria, Hamas and Hizbullah, poses an existential threat to Israel. To date, the efforts of the international community have not changed Iranian nuclear behavior. Yet, despite these seemingly obvious threats to Israel and the road to peace, there are those who would ignore them and harp instead on what they believe to be the true obstacles - Israeli settlements, governmental hesitation, and military repression. I'm not a fan of most settlements, but Israel has shown that, when it believes the price worth it, it will do what's necessary with settlements that stand in the way, be they in Sinai, Gaza, or the northern West Bank. Moreover, if anyone believes this Israel government is hesitant to make peace, then we're living on different planets. It speaks openly of a two-state settlement, discusses the most sensitive issues with its Palestinian counterparts, and acknowledges the suffering that Palestinians have endured without a state of their own. And while Israel doesn't have easy choices in the Gaza cauldron, it has shown remarkable restraint in the face of endless provocation. I don't know of many other nations that would have endured daily barrages without a robust military response. Let me suggest that the real reasons for the absence of peace lie elsewhere. First, too many in the Arab world have been fed a steady diet of Israel as an illegitimate nation. In this view, Israel has no right to exist. It is simply a colonial project of Western nations that must be eliminated. Few Arabs have ever visited Israel, met Israelis (or Jews), or studied the Israeli, and not just Arab, narrative of Israel's history, including the Jewish people's age-old link to the land. To make matters worse, Israel has damaged the self-image and self-respect of the Arab world by refusing to be defeated in battle. How can it be that this tiny nation, deprived of any significant natural resources, has withstood the Arab onslaught for six decades and emerged not only as the strongest military power in the region, but also the most politically and economically advanced? Second, as the annual Arab Human Development Report makes abundantly clear, the Arab world has fallen far behind the rest of the world in the key indices that determine success in the contemporary world. With the exception of its abundant, if unevenly distributed, energy resources, the region has had little to contribute to the globalized world. Thus, with stagnant political, economic, and social institutions, frustration runs high, especially in the demographic bulge of young people who have bleak futures. Herein lies the fertile recruiting ground for radicalism and extremism. With clever manipulation, Israel becomes an easy target for the pent-up anger and search for culprits. And third, too often the Palestinians have gotten a pass on the need to accept responsibility for their own actions. An entire web of validators, enablers, and advocates - from the United Nations to individual governments, from non-governmental groups to the chattering class - stands ready to justify, rationalize, or defend Palestinian actions, and to quickly turn the spotlight on every alleged Israeli misdeed. That's not a formula for progress, but paralysis. To be clear, I believe in a two-state settlement as the only possible political outcome with a chance of success. I travel regularly to Arab countries and seek to contribute to a climate of mutual respect, and reject those Jewish messianists who would prevent coexistence. Still, call me what you will, but I cannot accept those who, in the name of alleged concern for Israel, would tarnish its good name and, however unintentionally, jeopardize its future.
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Dave, New York,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
There are better and clearer arguments. Israel withdrew from Gaza, Lebanon & Sinai. Israel has demonstrated its willingness to negotiate peace for land, or peace at any cost. If the Arab world wanted peace tomorrow, there would be peace. It is that simple. DH, I know that you have reached the same conclusion, but you won't agree with the right of the zionist world, because they have lost their political voice. The Arabs hate Israel, no matter how much land is given. Since it doesn't matter, Israel might as well keep the land. It is the truth, regardless of how much we wish it weren't so.
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Clap Hammer,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Hi Dave. Basically I do agree with you and would not give up any more land UNTIL there is a responsible Palestinian entity that will have the support of its people AND recognise the dreadful Jewish Democratic entity that they all have such trouble with. To be realistic I do not see that happening for tens of years into the future and in the meantime, in spite of all those 'windows of opportunity' that the Arabs and the extreme fringe left keep on trying to lecture me about, Israel is becoming stronger and more economically successful.
It must gall them in the extreme but I rejoice in it.
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Warren Mann,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Excellent response by David Harris to those who continued to believe that Israel is responsible for lack of peace.
I would add that the issue goes beyond that stated by Harris to that of and Islamic ideology that will not tolerate an infidel state in what they consider to be their land. Part of this ideology is that once a land is governed/controlled, etc. by a muslim entiry, that land is forever Muslim. The Ottoman Caliphate occupied the Holy Land. Therefore it is always Muslim. Abbas said only 3 months ago that he/Palestiians would not tolerate a Jewish state in their region.
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The Wise Bard,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
To be honest, I had to stop reading this somewhere along the way, as the general line of argument became clear.
I consider myself a Zionist, have been interested and involved with Israel and Middle East issues since the 1960's, have lived in Israel and visited many times, and do my best to keep up through a variety of popular and academic journals. I have been extremely critical of Palestinian and other Arab leadership over the decades, and troubled by the popular mood in the (multiple) Arab street(s), and certainly believe that Israel's adversaries bear significant responsibility ...
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Mickey Burstein,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Well said, David Harris. More diplomatic than I. I'm moderate on most issues, but I believe that Israel has a right to live in peace despite all of the anti-Israel ranting from the left and the right. The issue is not land claimed by Israel. The issue is Muslim world hegemony. There would be more war, not less, if Israel were to give up the West Bank for anything less than complete peace and disarmament of the Arabs except for actual police use. If Israel went back to the 1949 truce lines, the Arabs would still attack. If Israel had even smaller boundaries, the Arabs would still attack.
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The Wise Bard,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
,,,bear responsibility for the failure to find a workable resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
All that said, however, I would reverse the thrust of Mr. Harris' post. The 40 years of Occupation have deeply corrupted Israeli society, and Israeli leadership (of varying parties and political ideologies) has repeatedly subverted such opportunities as have existed for improved relationships, sometimes for domestic political objectives, sometimes for lack of will, resolve, or courage to give up territories in the quest for peace, or at least a workable arrangement of living with respect ...
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H. Lewis New York,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Unfortunately David Harris's on point narrative is not the one used by the mainstream news media and reaches only a few. Meanwhile the media continues to pour out their poison into the minds and souls of millions with distorted storylines which place Israel at the same, or higher, level of aggression and dysfunction as the dysfunctional Palestinian Arabs and their allies. The battle will never be won without changing the influencial mainstream media storylines. We are kidding ourselves by shrinking from this crucial task.
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The Wise Bard,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
...with respect and dignity with one another. This is not to say that such a path is easy or without risk. But as many Israeli peace groups and others of good will have documented, official Israeli policy has fallen far short of the sztrps necessary to capitalize fully on opportunities for progress, and have provided all too much ammunition for inveterate opponents of the sort Mr. Harris discusses to stir up hatred and terrorism throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds. Jewish lovers of peace and longterm Israeli security must offer tempered criticism of failed Israeli policies & political forces.
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John, Roxbury, MA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
This article is a perfect example of the blind ideology that characterizes the AJC's position. We are to refrain from criticizing Israel not because our facts are wrong, but because we are not being loyal to Israel and the criticism would tarnish its good name. Mr. Harris is asking us not to criticize the conditions under which Palestinians in Gaza are living and to deny that Israel has any role or responsibility whatsoever for those refugees and the unacceptable conditions in which they live, not because he has shown that these allegations are untrue, but because criticism is not allowed.
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Michael Grello, Columbia SC,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I don't think the problem is the "Arab world" nor "the presence of religious Zionists in Israel" but that Israels government and some of their allies (perhaps AJC?) have fallen under the spell of "Christian Zionists" who are manipulating the middle east for their own apocalyptic ends. Recall how tenderly the Passover lamb is treated for the year before his throat is slit. They pretend to be your friends but are not (and they are, of course, wrong). So, make peace because this is what your people deserve, and the rapturists notwithstanding, you will have to live together for a long time.
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Ben New Jersey,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I like well thought out points as well as Dave's comments. Why in the last 20 years hasn't Israel done anything in terms of PR to counter the barrage of Arab propoganda and professional disseminators that are sent abroad? Why has the Jewish Establishment "Federation Types" not done anything in terms of Public Relations either. The only bunch within World Jewry that has stepped up to the plate are the 5th column of Yair Oppenheimer, Dror Etkes, Seymour Reich, and thier ilk who either want to destroy the state or have delusions of who the actions need to come from. They need a Jewish education.
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Michael O'Bryhim, Wichita, Ks,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
What the author states is so obvious that one wonders about the IQ level of those whose statements generated the commentary! Geez. I'm afraid those folks really don't want to be educated about the facts of the case. Their comments are another good example why Israel needs to maintain a strong defense.
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Richard Abrams, Los Angles, CA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Mr. Harris re-focuses the issue where it belongs. But, he diplomatically omits that the U. S. State Dept encouraged the villification of Israel since Truman recognized the State of Israel. This served the geopolitical goals of men like John Foster Dulles to shore up the corrupt Arab thugeries by diverting their people's minds away from their own oppression. American administrations took no real heed of terrorism as long as it was against Jews. Finally, anti-Jewish terrorism morphed into world wide terrorism and the World Trade Towers. Yet, some blame us Jews. Our sin? Existence!
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Charles L. Rojer, M.D./ Princeton, NJ,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I am amazed and impressed by your ability to remain optimistic in the face of so much negative press and comments, and actions, against Israel. I have more and more difficulty in accepting all those attempts to define Israel as the evil perpetrator without any, or hardly any, attempt to examine all the factors, as you point out, that need to be considered in a thoughtful and impartial evaluation of Israel's actions and reactions. Please continue to send out your thoughtful blogs and letters and let us hope that Palestinians and other Arabs take the time to read them. Sincerely,
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Fred S USA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Dave of NY is correct. Any decent peace offer Israel makes to these murderous POGROMCHIKS will be used to harass Israel. As long as Jews control Jerusalem (the Holy Land) it invalidates all of Islam...it's religion..religion.. religion...not land not oil but G-d vs Allah! Of course Islam was engendered by Judasim...that they don't like to admit or accept. Without Judaism, ...there is no Islam!
I am sorry to say this...it violates all our Jewish law, but I would tell Hamas crocodile to keep the soldier Shalit..(G-d only save him)..
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JC in USA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I haven't heard of any country giving up land it won in a war. Israel is ruled by wimps. Israel should take back all the land it won and never give it back. Arabs want Israel destroyed. Period. Israel should hold no prisoners and lay their hammer down hard. Arabs only no force, so anything else is a show of weakness. If Israel were to show force, Arabs would begin showing them respect.
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Dan H USA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Mr Harris....these Jews that lean so far left that the leaning tower of Pisa looks straight..don't bother with them. I know in your position you have to chat with many people. However, these "traitors" amongst us only help feed the anti Jewish propaganda used against us. In 70 ad Jerusalem fell after holding out 3 yrs..and it was the internacine debates that helped cursed Rome to finally win. It's the same with these "south paw" Jews...they feel if we are good and nice to our enemies they will love us. What fools! Oh yeah I got 6 million reasons to know how wrong and false that view is.
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Matthew Jacobson, New York City & Shanghai,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
The New State Solution (not "Two State"; they already have Jordan) leaves the onus on Israel
to give the natives a new state that they will be satisfied with (which they of course can never be satisfied with). Israel may say: 'Because our Palestinian neighbors persist in waging war on us, we are obliged to inflict suffering upon them. If you wish to alleviate their suffering, resettle them.
Here's a resettlement fund to which you can contribute.' If they can demonstrate Peaceful Neigbor feasibility they may earn the right to be "resettled" in Judea and Samaria. What am I missing?
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Henry, Bear Delaware,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Im personally sorry any Jewish person would suggest the Gaza is an open prison and that its an open prison because of the Israelis.
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Clark M. Zlotchew, Fredonia, N.Y. 14063,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I heartily agree with the main thrust of David Harris's article. Those who talk of Israel's actions being the reason that peace has not been achieved are living in fantasy land. You cannot negotiate --let alone make peace-- with enemies whose goal are to annihilate you. I would go further: the best defence is offense. If a man has sworn to kill you and your entire family (in a place where there are no police), you owe it to yourself and your family to dispose of him as soon as possible.
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Alan Kohn, Palm City, Florida,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
To Mr. Harris - "Israel is a nation which stands alone." This is true even under the current Bush Administration which bills itself as a friend to Israel. Senator Obama is reported to have said that "the Palestinians have suffered more than any other people in history." More than the Jews who have been persecuted and murdered since the days of Abraham? More than the African blacks who have lost perhaps 12 million lives during the days of slavery? Israel is the only country which has taken African blacks out of Africa and made them citizens, not slaves. Israel deserves peace.
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Dick Meltzer of the Washington, DC, chapter,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Mr. Harris, I share your analysis of the obstacles to peace although perhaps not your confidence in the commitment of the present government to peace as opposed to survival. What concerns me is the position that AJC will take if the next governement is a Netanyahu government. Of course, it is a hypothetical question at this time, but I do not believe you will be able to issue the same statement post-election as you did today should Mr. Netanyahu form the government. Is now an appropriate time for AJC to consider what it will do if such a result occurs?
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Richard,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Mr. Harris states the all to obvious that is not obvious to the majority of people in the world. I don't know how we can get this message out to all the people who see Israel as merely an evil occupier. No other nation seeks peace like Israel does. I know Harris and the AJC are on the front lines in this all important fight. Keep up the good fight and know that we are behind you.
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Ed K,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Absoutely correct Dave. If you haven't read, "The Oslo Syndrome", then you can find it all there. What isn't discussed there is the Leftist orientation and background of the secular European Jews, which brought us the Rosenbergs and contributed greatly to the Holocaust.
But "The Oslo Syndrome", written by a lecturer in psychology at Harvard, describes in detal the propensity of the accused to promote his own distruction. I believe Kafka described the phenomenon in "The Castle", in which the victim is convinced of his own guilt, without ever knowing what his offense was.
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Ed K,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
(contd.)
As usual for the Jews, their offense was to be alive.
And their enemies had and have the solution for that.
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Martin Haber, Hewlett, NY,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
You are performing a most important task: to keeo the lines of communication open between Arabs and Jews. Let others talk about who is at fault. By getting the parties to talk to each other, you are maintaining the only possibilitiy for a peaceful solution. My motto is: " We welcome all who come to us in peace. " It worked with the Egyptians, it worked with the Jordanians. Who knows, maybe it will work with some others. Keep up the good work!
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Clovia Sangrail, Stratford, UK,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Despite not being Jewish, I have been a supporter of the Jewish nation for many years. Perhaps I am mistaken. Perhaps the state of Israel is a racist entity. But I strongly doubt it. From what I see and read and hear, the Jewish settlers in the modern state of Israel treated the (semi)-indigenous Arabs with respect and sought a two-state solution from the word go.
Long may the state of Israel flourish amidst the medieval barbarism of the surrounding Arab states.
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Walter Plywaski, Boulder, Colorado, USA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
I agree with your points but didn' see your response about the legal and illegal settlemets throughout the West bank. These are many straws in our and the world's eyes and form a large financial, police and military burden to Israel. They are also against the consistently restated policy of USA, Israel's friend and alliy of the first and of the LAST resort. These settlements, at best, are a trip-wire warning of an invasion by land but totally meaninglless in the age of rocketry.
Walter Plywaski, ex "native" of Lodz ghetto, Auschwitz & Dachau #112,406
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Michael O'Bryhim, Wichita, Ks,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
What the author states is so obvious that one wonders about the IQ level of those whose statements generated the commentary! Geez. I'm afraid those folks really don't want to be educated about the facts of the case. Their comments are another good example why Israel needs to maintain a strong defense.
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Daniel Donnellan,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Mr. Harris, your voice continues to be one of reason. Sadly, it is not echoed by every citizen in the free world for fear of being "pro-Israel" by the United Nations and their terrorist-loving, American-hating "members". Like storm clouds gathering, Iran, Syria, Russia, Venezuela and the countless others who sympathize with them around the world, are preparing for a showdown with the United States and Israel. Believe me, there will be far fewer so-called "allied nations" coming to the aid of either nation. Imagine life without the US and Israel...our enemies already are doing just that.
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Gene, Geneva,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Seperate fact from fiction? How, when the whole essay is based on fiction? There are no facts to seperate out. David Harris, the AJC and other members of the lobby think they are helping Israel, but they will be the undoing of it. R.I.P!
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allen kropf, amherst, MA,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Kol hakavod, Mr. Harris. You are a forceful spokesman for the Jewish people. I do wish, though, that you could restrain yourself from seemingly trying to ingratiate yourself with those hard core Israeli critics and haters by including your disapproval of settlements and, implicitly, settlers. They are mostly very patriotic Israelis who make large contributions to Israeli society, especially the army. They not only include the religious, but many others, especially in the Golan and the Jordan Valley and other remote places. Finally, the Israeli haters will likely not be mollified in any case.
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larry l-Allentown,Pa.,
Tuesday Sep 02, 2008
Outstanding!Factual articulate and imortant data to considet.Bravo Mr.Harris
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Grif, San Francisco,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
The peace process is all process and no peace. Israel's latest "offer" speaks volumes: On the surface: 93% of WB to Pals, land bridge to Gaza, land swap for settlement bloc, some unknown and "complicated" solution for refugees. Reality: Israel gets settlement blocs immediately; PA get land bridge and land swap only after they retake Gaza from Hamas. Israel gets control of borders, military overflights, troops in Jordan Valley and others deployed throughout, early warning stations on mountain ridges. In other words, more occupation. As usual Israel stalls, hoping the Pals will vanish.
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Ellen S. Marcus, Austin, TX,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mr. Harris,
Mazel tov on a forceful, succint, powerful, truthful summary of the facts. One more point to be considered: History has shown that for Arab leaders, a peace treaty is not a goal, as it is for Israelis. Rather, "peace" is a means to an end -- more time to arm and re-arm themselves, more time to build nuclear weapons, and so on. I believe that there will be no peace until Arab mothers get tired of losing their sons to futile hatred and martyrdom; when they change what they teach their children, there will be hope. Not until then.
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Aaron, Lima Peru,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Well said Mr. Harris. Recently someone asked me if there was ¨"any part of me that wished for a two state solution." I was outraged that there still exist many people who thnk that being a zionist automatically entails not believing in a two state solution. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Michael, Chicago,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
The fanatical world of Islam wants Israel wiped off the map. Not all of Islam has bitter hatred though, and we must recognize that many actually do believe in the authority of the G-d of Israel. Many more even believe that Jesus Christ is his only begotten son who sacrificed himself in the New Testament whom Moses spoke. Jews should read the Holy Bible in its entirety and stop living in ignorance and disobedience to the G-d of Israel. In truth and justice there will be peace. It cannot be obtained living in sin, lies and under deception. Israel is not standing in truth right now.
In t
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Sidney Kavin, Glenview, Illinois,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Absolutely perfect response to the dangerously silly and naive doormats, who just cannot see most of these Arab/Moslem leaders as they really are. They make one poor decision after another...and it's always everyone else's fault that their people can't move ahead in these modern times.
The Jewish apologists should wake up to reality. None of us wants war, but peace at any price will have a huge price!
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David Katcoff, Jericho, Vt,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Perhaps the reason many well-meaning people blame Israel for the lack of peace is because they are largely ignorant of the ideology of Israel's enemies. How many people have taken the time to read the Koran, to get on www.jihadwatch.org and read the postings or books by Robert Spencer or Hugh Fitzgerald? And then there's Ali Sina's Islamic apostate website: www.news.faithfreedom.org.
As Sun Tzu said: "Kow the enemy and know yourself." So many know neither.
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julia, Montreal, Québec, Canada,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
thank you for this wonderful article which explain exactly why Israel cannot make peace now !...
The arabs including palestinians and their president, Mahmoud Abbas, don`t accept the right to exist to Israel. As Ahmaddinedjad said, the jews must return to Europe !...
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Wilf,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
By definition "negotiation" implies give and take by both parties. In the situation with the PA, it continues (since 1993) to be only "give" (until it hurts) on the part of Israel, and only "take" on the part of the PA. Confidence meaures, goodwill measures, and in return injury and murder.
However, the response always remains the same - it's ALL OR NOTHING, including the "right of return", effectively the only acceptable situation is the destruction of Israel.
Back to Khartoum in 1967, and the 3 "no"'s.
Let's face it that the Dhimmi Jews have any sort of sovereignty is NOT acceptable..
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Todd Troutman,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
"How could this tiny nation ,deprived of *************The answer is only american taxpayers money.
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Joe, Brooklyn, NY,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Dear Mr. Harris, Thank you. This week's blog was thoughtful, insightful and to the point. It pains me to have to agree with you so strongly. I have also observed the points-of-view you encountered and I have wished for a better retort for a long time. You have certainly helped me in that regard. What do you see as the X-factor? That quality in an Arab or Palestinian leader that would cause them to seek peace both for their own glory and for the sake of their people?
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Brian, New York City,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
It is hard to take any argument for peace seriously that does not advocate dismantling the settlements in Hebron and several other places in the West Bank. Palestinian atrocities do not legitimize systemiatic Israeli oppression of people whose greatest sin remains their residence on the land that is now the state of Israel. The longer we deny this and use Palestinian terror to support an illegal occupation the worse the reckoning will be. Horrific Palestinian behavior does not disqualify them from justice. This is not naive nor idiotic, it is the only chance we have.
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George, Brooklyn, NY,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Lots of pats on the back and refusal to see the merits in criticism of Israel. But what is current Israeli policy if not geared toward annihilation of the Palestinians? Whose existence is truly threatened here? Go ahead and hurl insults at my intelligence. American Jewish culture is entrenched in its unabated support for Israel. But you can never expect hundreds of thousands of displaced people to welcome the Jewish state. It's a response to a very real grievance. It only becomes Jew hating when the aggrieved encounters such callousness from Jews around the world.
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Zapa Pelttari,Finland,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mr. Harris,thank you.
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Mike, Boston, MA,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
George- the fact that the AJC refuses to acknowledge that very real grievance is a testament to its rigid pro-Israel ideology. Mr. Harris asks us to refrain from any criticism of Israel based not on the absence of any wrongdoing, but on blinded loyalty to the cause. It is this blind allegiance that is one half of the reason for the failure to achieve peace in the Middle East. Brian is exactly right when he states that "Palestinian atrocities do not legitimize systematic Israeli oppression of people whose greatest sin remains their residence on the land that is now the state of Israel."
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Avram Kalisky, Lincoln, MA,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mr. Harris must recognize that there will never be a two-state solution until Arabs are no longer taught to hate, no longer intend o use the two-state solution as an intermediate step before forcing Israelis into the Mediteranean, and are prepared to do anything that will eliminate the Jewish State from the face of the Earth.
Those "Peace Seekers" that bemoan the fate of the "poor oppressed" Arabs that are being led by leaders wo are selfishly using their condition to lin thei own pockets, meanwhile perpetuating them in their situation, are not helping anyone. Surely not the "oppressed".
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Dave, New York,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mike from Boston, you raise an interesting point. However, the difference is that Israel, whether guilty of atocity or not, has agreed in priciple to relinquish property in the name of peace. The Arab world has not even made a symbolic move towards peace. Outright hatred is taught in their classrooms, while Israel returns real property. Israel also tries those who commit atrocities in courts of law, while in the Arab world, a killer of Jews is rewarded with respect and or eternal life.
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Don, New York,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mike - No, no one is being asked to "refrain from any criticism of Israel based ... on blinded loyalty to the cause." By all means, criticize the chief rabbinate. Criticize the settlements (which this piece does, by the way). Criticize whatever you want. But make sure your criticism is offered in a spirit of respect, and ackowledges a couple of basic facts: (1) The people of Israel were willing to accept a partitioned Palestine and their Arab neighbors were not, and (2) Most Israelis accept a Palestinian state, while Israel is bordered by religious fanatics who want to kill Jews.
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Dave, New York,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
Mike from Bean Town..Do you think the AJC should become champions of the cause of Hamas? The Palestinians have been given a clear choice; renounce violence & recognize Israel's right to exist and you will have a country, with defined borders, and peace. If you don't, every act of violence you commit will be met with a harsh punishment. You probably think there is no diff between punishment & terror, but Israel jails its killers while the Palestinians celebrate theirs. Israel is not perfect, but it is a nation of laws.
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Robert Klein, Los Angeles,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
I, too, understand the dangerous realities facing Israel and agree with David's unqualified defense of Israel. Still, few commenters recognize the provocations from Israel on matters not directly affecingt its security. Examples are denials of transit visas to Gazastudents who have Fullbright or other scholarships to study abroad or confiscation of Arab properties in the West Bank that have been in families for generations without adequate, or any, compensation. Who wouldn't pass this resentment on to their children and look for revenge? The road to peace can start with small matters.
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Opi,
Wednesday Sep 03, 2008
I agree with Mr. Harris that a two state settlement is the solution. It makes sense.
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Jan Henriksen, Australia,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
Mr David Harris has rightly called his article "in the trenches". Fact is truth. In truth Israel is at war, a media war. Where its enemies know they can't win a physical combat so they use lies. But what is peace? Even if Israel win their next war and there is a kind of peace for Israel, all is not won until the world recognises a divine right. And that is the real issue. If Islam is right then Israel cannot exist. If Replacement Christianity is right then Israel should not exist. That Israel exists challenges two very powerful groups.
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Richard S., Menifee, CA,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
re Ellen/22- You are correct. "Peace" in Islam (dar al Islam) is just a pause in the war with the rest of the world - we infidels, dar al Harb. The "peaces" entered into with Egypt and Jordan are just that - way-stations on the path to overrunning and eliminating the Israel that now is.
Whatever, if any, "peace agreement" might be arrived at with the "Palestinians" will just be another step in Islam's one-way march toward Israel's disappearance. It's all about Islam's world view, and not just politics, land or perceived "ill-treatment".
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michael acosta,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
A long time ago we saw the land of canaan as the gift from god; we made offerings to god out of thankfulness. today we see the state of israel as a gift from man; we make offerings to man out of thankfulness. Israels spiritual landscape of milk and honey now grows fallow and sows among thorns. nak-hash has replaced israels prophets with whisperers of war, of iagos who use gods gift in vain. iagos like Kissinger who sowed war into nixons ear to bomb hanoi, like wolfowitz who sowed war into bushs ear to invade iraq and like lieberman who sows more war into mccains ear to bomb anywhere nak-hash desires. Israel is safe and militarily secure but not its soul that lies wretched in the mountains of south ossetia..
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Dr S McCosker,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
Mr Harris - have you read Dr Andrew Bostom's "The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism"? If you have not: please read it. It is devastating. A terrifying hatred of, & contempt for, Jews qua Jews is inextricably hardwired into the Islamic texts - Qur'an-Sira-Hadith, reinforced by all the authoritative interpretations ancient & modern, & has been violently expressed 7th C-21st century (e,g, see Maimonides' letter to the Jews of Yemen!) Christianity can purge itself of antisemitism; I doubt classical Islam ever can, or will. Mainstream Islam teaches pure hatred for ALL kafir but esp for Jews.
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yona loriner,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
Lots of pats on the back and refusal to see the merits in criticism of Israel. But what is current Israeli policy if not geared toward annihilation of the Palestinians? Whose existence is truly threatened here? Go ahead and hurl insults at my intelligence. American Jewish culture is entrenched in its unabated support for Israel. But you can never expect hundreds of thousands of displaced people to welcome the Jewish state. It's a response to a very real grievance. It only becomes Jew hating when the aggrieved encounters such callousness from Jews around the world.
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David S. Levine, Hobe Sound, FL,
Friday Sep 05, 2008
The very fact that this posting had to be written at all is testimony to the corrosive power of the left-liberal media. This is the same bunch that is tilting the scales in the coming election for Obama and the Democ-rat Party which now contains ALL of the Israel bashing vermin of American pupblic life. Israel does what it must do to preserve its existence and should be supported uncritically. Every time the Arabs of the Land of Israel are given a chance to make peace or show peaceful intentions they answer with intifadas. The deserve nothing less than the total brutality they perpetrate.
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thepoet-morocco,
Saturday Sep 06, 2008
all the comments written there are NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Eli E. Hertz, New York,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
For almost 100 years, Palestinian behavior has been based on rejectionism and political violence. The Palestinian refugee problem created in 1948 did not spark those strategies, nor did the Occupation of the Territories in the wake of the 1967 Six-Day War, which brought Israeli control over West Bank (Judea and Samaria ) and Gaza .
At each juncture when attempts to reach a live-and-let-live' solution have been advanced, Arab responses have boiled down to a two-pronged offensive that dovetails diplomacy with violence. In short, the Arabs, and particularly the Palestinians, have refused to recognize Israel as a legitimate entity or to negotiate genuine compromise. Instead, they have tried to drive the Jews out through violence and terror.
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Zoe, New York,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
Pray tell, Moroccan poet (#47), what exactly is the nonsense you are referring to? As a matter of fact, making such a sweeping statement, without supporting it in any way, shape or form, is about as nonsensical as it gets!!!!!!!!!
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Zoe, New York,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
It seems that the sequence of some of the comments about this blog was suddenly rearranged by the editors, so my first comment, now #62, should now refer to "the poet" from Morocco not as #47 but as #60. The point remains the same -- exactly what "nonsense" is he talking about, other, perhaps, than his own?
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Bob,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
Yes,I agree. But so what? You don't answer: What's to be done --- that's the burning issue.
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Ben,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
Both this article and the previous one reminded me of Quentin Crisp's observation that he realized that his life work was to make crystal clear what should have been obvious to to everyone. There can be no honest and intelligent analysis/curative approach to the over 60 years Arab-Israel conflict if you deny or ignore the facts that almost all of Israel's Arab neighbors and indwellers including the Palestinian refugees, want to destroy Israel and kill its resident Jews in the process, and have been culturally brainwashed into hating Jews and buying those twin Holocaustal goals. Continued...
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Ben,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
David Harris, as usual, makes those truths "crystal clear". True liberals will agree because they can
see that Israel is the real underdog defender against its multi-nation bigotry driven Arab aggressors. Knee-jerk liberals will disagree because they refuse to recognize the obvious reality that even the most humanitarian defenders can wind up oppressing their aggressors when their very survival is threatened. Common sense-based morality demands that the genocidal aggressors rather than genocide-threatened defenders are causally responsible for such oppressive defenses.
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Jean Sherrell,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
The history and doctrine of Islam show us that the Arab and Persian Moslems intend nothing less than the complete destruction of Israel. Any Jews left alive after the final battles, conventional or nuclear or both, will be reduced to dhimmihood. I no longer care what the Western liberals think -- except that Israel needs their help to fend off the Islamic armies. My question to David Harris: What can we do to help Israel stop Iran from making enough uranium for nuclear bombs? I did believe in the two state solution, but the Arabs and Persians want it ALL. What can I do for Israel?
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Karl Pfeifer, Vienna, Austria,
Friday Sep 12, 2008
I am impressed by this very balanced comment.
Some Palestinians in Gaza remember with nostalgia the good old days, when they could work in Israel.
They elected Hamas and can see now what that means for them. For antizionists the opinion is holy, the facts are free, they never say anything about the repressive policy of Hamas in Gaza. Nor do they care about Hamas holding an Israeli soldier without letting the international Red Cross to visit him.
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Neil, Connecticut,
Tuesday Oct 07, 2008
#57--Dr. S. McCosker--You need not refer to Dr. Bostom's book for information on Islamic anti-semitism, just listen to fairly current Rev. Louis Farrakhan's tapes. In my area, they're run on a community college radio station as a "public service for the community". For information on other anti-Jewish/anti-American rhetoric, for the past 20 years, you could purchase the Rev. Wright's tapes, following his church services, every single Sunday. These were all compilations of his sermons that were exclusively given at his church.
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