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Wednesday Jun 24, 2009
Green-Lined: And where were you born?
Posted by Yisrael Medad
Comments: 24
    
The Jerusalem Post informed its readers on Tuesday that the US State Department considers Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem as included in the US demand that Israel halt "settlement" construction, including for natural growth purposes as State Department spokesman Ian Kelly admitted. And that is an appropriate introduction for me to expand on a matter of State Dept. deviousness. As American citizens are aware, their children, if born in Jerusalem, whether west Jerusalem or east, I emphasize, are not recognized by the US State Department as being born in Israel. Their birth certificates and subsequently, their passports, will list the "place of birth" as simply "Jerusalem", a seemingly stateless location. This rule is recorded in the US Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs 7 FAM 1300 Appendix D which notes:
The "logic" for this is that as a result of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War, Israel is considered by the United States to be "occupying" territories whose final status must be determined by negotiations. This includes all of Jerusalem. However, regarding births in any of the Arab towns or Jewish communities outside of Jerusalem and beyond the 'Green Line,' the former armistice boundary as fixed in 1949, the rules read: "The birthplace for people born in the West Bank or in the No Man's Lands between the West Bank and Israel is WEST BANK...Those born in 1948 or later may have their city of birth as an alternate entry." This situation, I protest, is illogical and quite unreasonable. In fact, what has happened is that the State Dept. has created a new 'state' while ignoring Israel's status in its own capital. The "West Bank" never existed as a geo-political entity until 1950, when Jordan annexed the area. That annexation, in addition, was never recognized by the United States. Nevertheless, we witness the US establishing the "West Bank" as if it were a state entity.
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Marsha in NJ, USA,
Thursday Jun 25, 2009
The State Department also warns against visiting the "West Bank". When I go to Israel, I visit my relatives in Ginot Shomron, and my friends in Maale Adumim. Jerusalem, unified and undivided, is Jewish now and forever, and the State Department, (and Mrs. Clinton) can kiss my tuchas.
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Bob Fruehling USA,
Thursday Jun 25, 2009
How does this work in the USA? If a Native American is born on a Reservation of their Nation, surrounded by the U.S., what country, or nation is listed on the passport? I am asking the question. It seems appropriate.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Thursday Jun 25, 2009
The Logan Act. It says that no US emplyee can deal directly with a foreign government. Working in search and rescue, where time is critical, and I found the US State Dept absolutely useless, I informed them that I was violating the law, and to please prosecute me. No, it was not the sole instance, but 600 characters are insufficient to provide the many other instances where I found the US State Dept to be useless, inane, and even anti-semetic. with our present leaders, I fear much worse. Capos, Please wake up!
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Bruce,Rockford Il,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
More hipocracy from Barrack Hussein Obama.He`s one to be talking about where a person is born(Hawaii / Kenya).There is still real doubt about his natural born citizenship.He continues to hide his long form birth certificate and spends hundreds of thousand$ of dollars in lawyers fees to keep from disclosing this.In the coming weeks and months,I`m sure we will all find out exactly how anti-semetic and for that matter anti-American he is.Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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Scott Benlevi occupied Native America,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
Native Americans whether they were born on a Reservation or outside are still CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.. We carry US passports. As a group we have been citizens since 1924, although many of us are multi-generational citizens. Some tribal groups issue 'passports' but they are not internationally recognized nor should they be. Native struggles to reclaim seized by european christians by way of war and genocide has absolutely no parallel in the arab moslem claim on any Jewish land.
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Yona Geitel, Givatayim, Israel,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
We have done everything possible to alienate the world against our claim to Jerusalem ever since 1967. Recall MK Geula Cohen's "Jerusalem Law" that caused all remaining embassies in Jerusalem to move to Tel Aviv!. Our discrimination against Jerusalem Arabs and the fanatic acts of our own religious nuts has led the international community to the conclusion that we are not worthy of being the respected guardians of Jerusalem. We have repeatedly cut off the bough on which we sat. The rightwing in Israel has contributed to our inevitable loss of a united Jerusalem more than anyone else. Sad!
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Tzvi/amerikkka,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
american law also says you cant become president if you were born in aforeign country. I guess that means Kenya is part of america?
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Bob Fruehling USA,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
In repley to Scott Benlevi, it is obvious to me that if a Jew is born in the capital of Israel, Jerusalem, then that would mean that their passport should read that they are a citizen of Israel. That was the point and comparison I was wanting to make. Is anyone else on the face of the earth denied to be called a citizen of their country when they are born in the capital of their country? I can't make this up!
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Chris USA,
Saturday Jun 27, 2009
Hence the dilemma!
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Paul Winter, Sydney,
Saturday Jun 27, 2009
Geula Cohen simply proposed that Jerusalem's '67 borders remain unaltered. It was not accepted and do not jeopardise its Jewishness. The issue however is that the antisemitic US State Dept is playing games by pretending that Jerusalem is negotiable. It has had egg on its face with regard to Taiwan and North Vietnam and now it is playing games as well with "Palestine" (Fatah). It is up to USA Jews to lobby their representatives to bring to heel State, CIA, FBI and Pres Hussein Seotoro, to act decently, rationally and in the interests of democracy and freedom. That way, Israel will be helped.
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Gerald J USA,
Saturday Jun 27, 2009
Israel, in my opine, is entitled to do whatever it wants ever since 1948 when they new state was attacked. Anyone born in any part of what is known as Israel and its territories should say whatever they wish to write on his/her passport...thats up to Israel and no one has the right to say otherwise. That goes for "settlements" too. As for the American Indians, they do have a beef and they should do everthing in their power to set the US govt right...but these native Americans do it the right way...peacfully! There are no native America Indians putting on suicide belts. Casinos..YES!
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Ruth, UK,
Saturday Jun 27, 2009
It's astonishing just how suspicious so many pro-Israelis are of Obama, considering how much kissing up he's done. It seems he neednt have bothered.
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Edith Gould Melbourne Australia,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Thank you for this interesting information. I had no idea even though I just returned from Israel to Australia,where I live.
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Yisrael Medad,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Yona, how sad you support the opinion that it is our deeds that cause the nations to refuse our sovreignty over our 3000 year old capital. Geula Cohen's law was in 1980 but no one recognized us previously. The US policy is built on the 1947 (!) internalization scheme of the UN. What are you talking about?
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Frances Haase,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
I am a U.S. citizen and I'm not Jewish. What I wonder is, how in the hell can the U.S. State department be so arrogant as to dictate what Israeli citizens put on their birth certificates or passports? This is patently absurd.
I always have, and always will be, supportive of Israel. I am so ashamed of Obama and his administration and their willingness to throw Israel under the bus.
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Roddy Frankel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
From Wikipedia: "The United States Jerusalem Embassy Act, passed by Congress on October 23, 1995 , states that 'Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel; and the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999'..."
It makes me nostalgic for the days when our Congress actually supported Israel.
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Yona Geitel, Givatayim, Israel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Medad, thanks for your response. You really need to brush up on your history. Prior to Geula's 1980 law there were embassies in Jerusalem from The Netherlands, Haiti, Venezuela, Uruguay, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Columbia, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, & Panama. Following Geula's J'lem law the UN passed a resolution calling on all countries to relocate their embassies from J'lem. Most did so almost immediately and the rest gradually followed. Today there are no embassies left in J'lem. Geula Cohen's law was stupid and caused us tremendous damage. Yes, we have often hurt our own cause in J'lem.
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Yona Geitel, Givatayim, Israel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
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Marsha in NJ, USA,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
I can't believe a Jew, and an Israeli yet, would deny our claim to Jerusalem even one iota. Jerusalem was proclaimed the Jewish capital by King David. That should be good enough for any Jew, and certainly supercedes any inane proclamation by the Us State Department. And by the way, to everyone here who is saying Israelis should be able to say what they want on their passports, we're talking about Americans living in Israel who wish to have their childrens' births registered in the US so they can also have US passports as American citizens.
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Mikey,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
To Francis Haase--ok, be ashamed of the Obama administration but both Bush administrations, the Clinton administration, the Reagan administration and all previous administrations had the same exact policy. It isn't something that Obama came up with. I disagree with it too, by the way.
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Joseph Lessard,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
I see how this works now. For a person born in Kenya write--Hawaii.
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Yechielshlipshon,
Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Question; does Isral have a law that any one born on or in an Israeli administered community, such information is required? If so, and USA is rying to dictate which info is allowed, then USA is interfering in the affairs of an independant and automious Nation. What is the penity for an American who states Israel, not Jerusalem, as child's place of birth? And, is this recognized under internatonal law?
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Yechielshlipshon,
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
OK, say that this has some logic to it; under the existing INTERNATIONAL LAWS, this if legal also means that anyone born in States originally part of Mexico, should be lisated as their place of birth-Mexico. Ola, amigos.
Now, what about the Native American Nations? Is theUInoited States of America fully a legal entity, or an occupying power whose bordes are not where they, by lega, international law, should be. Either this isright, or Obama and Clinton are full of it.
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Daran, UK,
Tuesday Sep 15, 2009
Wow these birthers are really annoying, do'nt let the facts stand in the way of pathetic claims, seems to have found a home with many in camp of the pro settlement anti muslim stripe of public opinion, I see.
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