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Thursday Aug 20, 2009
A Point of View: The Fatah factor Posted by Abraham Foxman
Comments: 31
Let's start with what I believe is the obvious: Fatah and Hamas are two very different organizations. Not only are they at each other's throats whenever they have the opportunity, but they speak very different languages. Hamas talks of an Islamic state, Fatah of a Palestinian national state. Hamas calls for Israel,s destruction, Fatah talks of two states living side-by-side. Hamas proudly takes credit for terrorist attacks against civilians, Fatah in public statements decries such attacks. In other words, it is not helpful and not accurate to suggest, as some do, that there is no difference between the organizations. Hamas cannot be a partner for peace. Fatah could be. The words "could be" point to the continued ambivalence toward Fatah. The potential for a peace partner is there but it has not been realized. We've seen this ambivalence in the behavior of Israeli governments over the last 15 years: engagement during the Oslo process and at Camp David, followed by non-engagement during the second intifada, followed by re-engagement during the tenure of former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It was in this context that Fatah held its first conference in 20 years. It provides an opportunity, based on examining the declaration of the gathering and seeing the document through the prism of recent events, to assess whether Fatah is more than a potential partner for peace. There are things in the declaration that should remind us that the Fatah of today is not like that which existed before the Oslo process. Negotiations are referred to over and over again. United Nations Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, the bases for a peaceful mutual recognition of the parties, are mentioned, as is the Arab peace initiative. In other words, there is a basis for considering that indeed Israel may have someone to talk to. And in the current international environment, I doubt that Israel would stand in the way of a resumption of talks with the Palestinians. But does the Fatah conference indicate anything more than that the parties should talk? Is there evidence that finally Israel has a peace partner, that negotiations can lead to a compromise agreement that can serve the interests of both peoples? There isn't much here to give hope in this regard, even for those who want to believe that reflected here may be negotiating rather than final positions. Take the issue of refugees and the so-called "right of return." It is one thing to maintain their support for the refugees and for UN resolution 194, which supported refugee return. That is the usual stuff. But now they have added the refugee issue to justify an additional combative policy - their refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Rather than indicating a softening on the right of return, which is a non-starter for Israel, Fatah has reinforced its unwillingness to give it up. Several statements were blunt, hard-line and confrontational. One resolution approved by the Fatah members explicitly blamed Israel for the 2004 death of longtime Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and called for an international investigation into his death. Another unaccountable resolution stated a refusal to negotiate with Israel until it ceded all of Jerusalem to the Palestinians. These are hardly the words of moderation that we had hoped for. Similarly, on the subject of terrorism: The criticism of the Palestinians in recent years has been that while, starting with Arafat on the White House lawn, they committed to the end of terrorism, in fact terrorism continued to be a strategy of choice for the Palestinians in the 1990s and 2000s. The demand was that they live up to their rhetoric and combat rather than encourage the terrorists in their midst. Now, Fatah has once again left open the door for terrorism, in its words as well as its actions. It used classic language justifying violence against civilians - "Fatah adopts all legitimate forms of struggle along with clinging to the option of peace." Standing up and acting unequivocally against terrorism is essential if Israel is to be expected to make significant concessions for peace. This is not encouraging. So, too, the Fatah demand that all prisoners be freed. The message again is one that has to be disturbing to Israelis who look for signs of change among the Palestinians. That Palestinians would seek the release and amnesty for many prisoners is understandable. But to insist on the release of the most brutal murderers of innocents indicates a continued attitude that Israeli life is worthless. These disappointing developments in Bethlehem were met with near silence by the international news media, where there was little if any criticism on the editorial pages of Fatah's statements reaffirming support terrorism or its maximalist demands. There was not a single word of rebuke, either, from any of the peace partners with a vested interest in Fatah as a moderating force in Palestinian society, including from members of the Quartet - the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia - all of whom chose to remain mum rather than speak out against Fatah's unwillingness to take more constructive stances toward peace. The bottom line: Fatah is not Hamas and it may be worthwhile to bring together the parties to talk. But let's not unreasonably raise expectations of a major breakthrough when even the more moderate side of the Palestinian camp continues to think in the old ways.
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Mike,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
Foxman walking a tightrope. Comparing Fatah and Hamas is a distinction without a difference. Would you rather deal with an armed robber or a serial killer? Either way, negotiations are a waste of time.
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david singer,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
How can you claim Fatah is different to Hamas when the following articles in Fatah's constitution remain unaltered?
Article 12: Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.
Article 13: Establishing an independent democratic state with complete sovereignty on all Palestinian lands, and Jerusalem as its capital city ...
Article 22: Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine
Give us a break Abe.
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Bob Weintraub USA,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
It is not the job of American Jews to tell the people of Israel with whom to negotiate.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
Foxman has rose colored glasses. First paragraph, that he tries to build on, is that of a blindman who will not see. Call it Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Quaida, Taliban, etc.. All have same charter derived from the Koran. Total domination of the planet, and the destruction of Israel is but a start. If Israel were not jewish, but Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or Zoroastrian it would not matter. The situation would remain the same. Perhaps the only difference is one of numbers, there are far fewer Jews than Christians or Hindus, and are therefore perceived as an easier target.
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Elana,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
Foxman, it is not because of the ambivalence of The Israeli Governments that we do not have peace.
It is because that the Palastinian were offered at state in the past and on each occassion they turned down the offer. Last year Olmert offered them 97% of the west Bank which was also reject. It is very strange for me that you don't mention the Palastinians refusal to comprise and reach a peace agreement with Israel. Unfortunately the Palastinians do not want peace or a state, because if that was the case, they would have already had one already in 1948. They only have themselves to blame.
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Sergio Bramsole,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
The Guardian spearheads the anti-Israel campaign in Britain and its so-called "Comment is Free" message board is filled with antisemitic content every day. To have plausibility deniability against antisemitism charges, the Guardian makes calculated decisions to use two or three Jewish turncoats in this constant assault on Jewish values. It's time for Abraham Foxman to look into the matter. When it comes to hatespeech, there is practicallly no difference in so many ways between the KKK and the Guardian.
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Colin Beck, Surrey B.C., Canada,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
BALONEY ON ICE: The lounges at the United Nations and the Winter Olympics have the same theme.
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
I really find this post interesting...the information which the author introduces about both parties is critical....I do believe that Fatah is ready to sign a peace treaty which includes serious compromises regarding the final points but at the same time Israel will have to consider this. The current political leadership of Fatah is supported by the International community and is accepted in a way or another by the current Israeli government although there are no direct relations between them...Who knows...some say that real solution is reached by strong right Israeli leaders!
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Ger, Raanana,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
When, oh when, will people like Foxman and other liberals learn that the Palestinians, whether Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa, whatever they call themselves, do not want peace. They want all of the area west of the Jordan, and they won't settle for less.
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Bert Cohen, New York,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
Foxman tells us what all of us already know and with no insight of where we go from here. And for this drivel he actually gets paid?
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Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
Hey, Foxman : I guess you had zero luck trying to explain the obvious to Obama and his Jewish lefty "amen" crowd during your recent White House meeting. Believe me, it will only get worse . Obama will continue to do everything he can to weaken Israel , while, at the same time, saying "we will always support Israel's right to exist." As long as he does not publicly advocate Israel's liquidation, most U.S. Jews will be very satisfied. Pathetic.
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Stuart Creque,
Thursday Aug 20, 2009
"Fatah adopts all legitimate forms of struggle along with clinging to the option of peace."
Israel's response should be that the only other option besides peace available to Fatah is the annihilation of Fatah and its constituent members. That's a message they can certainly understand: it's an echo of Arafat's "olive branch in one hand and AK47 in the other" message to the UN General Assembly.
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Lenny,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
Foxman is a liberal before he is a JEW. He has made millions in hawking the holocaust to American audiences and he has no desire to walk the walk by living in Israel. He knows that in Israel the only enemies he would go after would be the Ultra's and conservatives which might lead him to get hurt. He would talk about Hamas but would more often than not be siding with Palestinians over his fellow Jews. However, most libs like Abe are scared shitless of being critical of the role that Islam plays in all of this. He knows that questioning Islam means having to get bodyguards. He is gutless.
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Steven Peled,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
Whats Abe making now? A couple hundred thousand a year? For what?Access to the gentile halls of power?Abe, you say so muich, so eloquently. However, no one is listening, nobody considers your opinion to be the basis for any discussion. You are like the Jewish Readers Digest. oh wait, they just filed for bankruptcy. Consider doing the same.
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Gene California,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
I think that all the minutiiae about the difference between Hamas and Fatah is irrelevant. The relevant points are these: a separate Palestinian state is an impracticality and failing the creation of such a state, Israel will be left with a large Arab population that needs to be incorporated into Israel. Israelis had better figure out a way to do thais, rather than worry about which peace partners for a two state solution that is not goingt tot happen.
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daat y,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
Abe-you left out their constitution states to destroy Israel.That is the bottom line.
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JaphetNetto, Porto Alegre, Brazil,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
His freedom is an award to terrorism and a weak mesaje to all terrorists in world. It means: "guys, you can kill anyone you want and nothing will happen to you because our system will release you" and your oil pays for everything, including our consciences, moral, integrity...!
We are clowns! This murder, this terrorist will be received by his master and boss as hero, because in Libya he was considered a political hostage.
It is a shame!
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Steve,
Friday Aug 21, 2009
READ Lenny #13. He's worth reading. Lenny explains why most talking heads in the US - even conservative writers and radio talk show hosts - will not discuss nor broach the subject of Islam, jihad, etc., and its implications to the west. Maybe Mr. Foxman will read Lenny and will himself - as Mr. Obama demands of Israel - "engage in serious self-reflection." On second thought; I doubt it.
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Chaim - Israel,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
Foxman's comments about Fatah are ridiculous. Fatah's covenant, like that of Hamas, openlly calls for the destruction of Israel. Fatah's daily PA tv broacasts also call for the destuction of Israel. How did Foxman get the idea Fatah "decries" terrorist attacks against Israel? Rubbish. Fatah celebrates such attacks and honours the terrorists. Moreover Fatah has murdered and maimed far more Jews than Hamas. Perhaps Foxman has something worthwhile to say about American Jewish affairs. However, his input on Israeli affairs is delusional and worthless. He has proven that many times.
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Chris USA,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
You appear woefully misinformed. Fatah espouses a temporary jewish state and a permanent arab state. The temporary state will be disposed of like trash as Fatah implements the Final Solution that palestinian arabs have yearned for since the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with Hitler.
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G Marcus, USA,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
WB Arabs face only 2 real options: (a) Hamas rule (b) Jordanian rule. Fatah option is none other than State Dept fiction. Only power keeping Fatah alive and preventing WB from turning into another Gaza under Hamas is Israeli army. Solutions: (a) Gaza: Under linkage to Egypt, a Dubai-like indl/comml hub on East Med; (b) WB: Parts federated with Jordan, with security & settlements for Israel, demographics for Arabs, holy sites for both. 2-State Plan doesn't make sense only if you think its aim is Peace; it makes a lot of sense if you realize it's a key step in 1974 Staged Plan to destroy Israel.
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Yudi F USA,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
What is it with some American Jews? Foman is usually a bright guy, but his comparison betwee Fatah and Hamas is like saying its okay for Israel to negoctiate with crocodiles or allegators. Hamas is the crock and Fatah is the Gator. Can u pet either one? Some Jews really believe that the West free world is dealing with normal people here! They should read most Jpost posters!
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Jo Ellen Davey Cohen,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
Fatah is the flip side of the Hamas coin. LiveLeak footage demonstrated the constant power struggle and carnage between the two terrorist factions. The struggle objectives are clear: The most powerful terrorist faction will represent the Palestinian population and will determine the agenda in the destruction of the State of Israel. Fatah as well as Hamas does not recognize the State of Israel as a legitimate partner in the M.E. peace process. The Palestinian atlas does not place Israel on the map. Negotiations of the willing are at an impasse.
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REDDE KLEIN HAMBURG, Germany,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
Facts and factors
Statistics from 200 - 2008
Children Killed: 123 Israeli children -- 1,487 Palestinian children
Israeli & Palestinians killed: 1,072 Israelis -- 6,348 Palestinians
injured: 8,864 Israelis-- 39,019 Palestinians
Political? prisoners/detainees: 1 Israeli -- 10,756 Palestinians
Demolition of homes: 0 Israeli homes, 18,147 Palestinian homes
Illegal settlements: Israel has 223 Jewish-only settlements
Palestine has none
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btw, US,
Saturday Aug 22, 2009
Mr. Foxman,
Read "The Fatah Constitution", [ Link to page ] , Chapter One, Articles 12 and 19. After that come here again and discuss "peaceful" intentions of Fatah.
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akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mr. Foxman: You really don't have a clue about the real problem in the middle east. The 22 arab states do not want a Jewish State of Israel in their area. The Palestinian issue is just a diversion to hide their real intentions of getting rid of Israel. The request of a 23rd state of arabs, who for western consumption calls themselves Palestinians, is obviously just another way to attain their hopes to finally reduce Israel's already small land area to nothing. Their request for the right of return for "palestinians" to Israel proper is just the final plan in the elimination of Israel, get it?
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Lowell Ramat Ilan, Israel,
Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Foxman's most important point is about the news blackout throughout the West - in the media, from foreign ministries, and from this silly body of people with conflicting interests, the so-called Quartet - or Colin Powells Ego-Folly. Still more important, however, is Israel's silence. This could have been a showcase moment for the PM and the foreign ministry to milk to show the world that peace has remained elusive solely due to the old, hard-line, annihilationist rejectionists who proudly tout the legacy and exalt the memory of mass murderer Yasser Arafat.
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EW,
Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mr. Foxman has wriiten an article which has revealed how actually bleak the situation of Israel is
He does not know what to do or what to suggest as if some poweful wave of political forces are to hit Israel and likely Jews and he has no strengh to tell the truth but neitter he is capable of complete disonesty
It is uneasy feeling , sense of threats that are seriuous , lack of confidence masked by words.
And only pleasant coldness of the barrel of Tavor, hissing of F16 and grumbling of Mercava somehow in bizarre way sooth anxiety in those who really understand.
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robert, NY, NY, USA,
Friday Aug 28, 2009
Lets talk truth: Terrorist groups in the palestinian areas must be eliminated in order for any peace talks to be successful. There must be peaceful and truthful palestinians elected to negotiate real peace with the Jewish state of Israel. Palestinians must actively protest against their leaders who have denied them peace for the last 62 years. Since none of the above will happen, there will never be a palestinian state !
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Dr S McCosker Australia,
Thursday Sep 17, 2009
'Fatah' - 'victory'. Hamas - 'Rage'. Fatah = 'slow jihad'. Hamas = 'fast jihad'. The difference between them is in the end only about tactics and timing. The goal of both is the annihilation of the Jewish state & the killing, or exile, or reduction to allah-ordained dhimmitude, of every Jew in Israel.
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Julius Rayetzkas, Lithuania,
Sunday Sep 20, 2009
I am surprised that no one of the comentators has, actually, read the article to its end. It is in the opening of the article that the author states that in the beginning there was a difference, in the attitude of Fatah from that of Hamas: while Fatah represented the partner for negotiations with Israel, Hamas ruled it out. Eventually, Fatah proved that its attitude is no more than a wording, behind which there is no intention of any concrete deed. So, actually, the author does state that there is no difference between the two.
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