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Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Double Standard Watch: Will Hamas's new "Culture War" acknowledge its historic ties to Nazism? Posted by Alan M. Dershowitz
Comments: 95
Hamas, the terrorist organization that specializes in targeting civilians, has now decided, according to a New York Times headline, to shift "from rockets to culture war" in an effort to garner public support for its cause. Part of its ongoing public relations campaign is to portray the Israelis as the "new Nazis" and the Palestinians as the "new Jews." To bring about this transformation, it must engage in a form of Holocaust denial that erases the historical record of widespread Palestinian complicity with the "old Nazis" in perpetrating the real Holocaust. It has become an important part of the mantra of Hamas supporters that neither the Palestinians people nor its leadership played any role in the Holocaust. Listen to Mohammad Ahmadinejad talking to students at Columbia University: "If [the Holocaust] is a reality, we need to still question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it or not. After all, it happened in Europe. The Palestinian people had no role to play in it. So why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price of an event they had nothing to do with? ...The Palestinian people didnt commit any crime. They had no role to play in World War II. They were living with the Jewish communities and the Christian communities in peace at the time." The conclusion that is supposed to follow from this "fact" is that the establishment of Israel in the wake of the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people was unfair to the Palestinians. Central to this claim is that neither the Palestinian people nor their leadership bore any responsibility for the Holocaust, and if any reparations are owed the Jewish people, it is from Germany and not from the Palestinians. The propounders of this historical argument suggest that the West created the Jewish state out of guilt over the Holocaust. It might have been understandable if a portion of Germany (or Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, France, Austria, or other collaborator nations) had been allocated for a Jewish homeland - but why Palestine? Palestine, according to this claim, was as much a "victim" as were the Jews. I hear this argument on university campuses around the United States, and even more so in Europe. The truth is that the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler's Holocaust. The official leader of the Palestinians, Haj Amin al-Husseini, spent the war years in Berlin with Hitler, serving as a consultant on the Jewish question. He was taken on a tour of Auschwitz and expressed support for the mass murder of European Jews. He also sought to "solve the problems of the Jewish element in Palestine and other Arab countries" by employing "the same method" being used "in the Axis countries." He would not be satisfied with the Jewish residents of Palestine - many of whom were descendants of Sephardic Jews who had lived there for hundreds, even thousands, of years - remaining as a minority in a Muslim state. Like Hitler, he wanted to be rid of "every last Jew." As Husseini wrote in his memoirs, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. The mufti was apparently planning to return to Palestine in the event of a German victory and construct a death camp, modeled after Auschwitz, near Nablus. Husseini incited his pro-Nazi followers with the words "Arise, o sons of Arabia. Fight for your sacred rights. Slaughter Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, our history and religion. That will save our honor." Not only did Husseini exhort his followers to murder the Jews; he also took an active role in trying to bring about that result. For example, in 1944, a German-Arab commando unit, under Husseini's command, parachuted into Palestine with the intention of poisoning Tel Aviv's wells. Husseini also helped to inspire a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq and helped to organize thousands of Muslims in the Balkans into military units known as Handselar divisions, which carried out atrocities against Yugoslav Jews, Serbs and Gypsies. After a meeting with Hitler, he recorded the following in his diary: The Mufti: "The Arabs were Germany's natural friends... They were therefore prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in a war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and the unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq..." Hitler: "Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. Hitler assured Husseini about how he would be regarded following a Nazi victory and "the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere." In that hour, the mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations that he had secretly prepared. Husseini's significant contributions to the Holocaust were multi-fold: first, he pleaded with Hitler to exterminate European Jewry and advised the Nazis on how to do so; second, he visited Auschwitz and urged Eichmann and Himmler to accelerate the pace of the mass murder; third, he personally stopped 4,000 children, accompanied by 500 adults, from leaving Europe and had them sent to Auschwitz and gassed; fourth, he prevented another two thousand Jews from leaving Romania for Palestine and one thousand from leaving Hungary for Palestine, who were subsequently sent to death camps; fifth, he organized the killing of 12,600 Bosnian Jews by Muslims, whom he recruited to the Waffen-SS Nazi-Bosnian division. He was also one of the few non-Germans made privy to the Nazi extermination while it was taking place. It was in his official capacity as the leader of the Palestinian people and their official representative that he made his pact with Hitler, spent the war years in Berlin, and worked actively with Eichmann, Himmler, von Ribbentrop and Hitler himself to "accelerate" the final solution by exterminating the Jews of Europe and laying plans to exterminate the Jews of Palestine. Not only did the Grand Mufti play a significant role in the murder of European Jewry, he sought to replicate the genocide against the Jews in Israel during the war that produced a so-called Nakba. The war started by the Palestinians against the Jews in 1947, and the war started by the Arab states in 1948 against the new state of Israel, were both genocidal wars. Their goal was not merely the ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the area but their total annihilation. The leaders said so and the actions of their subordinates reflected this genocidal goal. They were aided in their efforts by Nazi soldiers - former SS and Gestapo members - who had been given asylum from war crime prosecution in Egypt and who had been recruited by the grand mufti to complete Hitler's work. It is also fair to say that Husseini's pro-Nazi sympathies and support were widespread among his Palestinian followers, who regarded him as a hero even after the war and the disclosure of his role in Nazi atrocities. The notorious photograph of Husseini and Hitler, together in Berlin, was proudly displayed in many Palestinian homes, even after Husseini's activities in the Holocaust became widely known and praised among Palestinians. Husseini is still regarded by many as "the George Washington" of the Palestinian people, and if the Palestinians were to get a state of their own, he would be honored as our founding father is. He was their hero, despite - more likely, because of - his active role in the genocide against the Jewish people, which he openly supported and assisted. According to Husseini's biographer, "Large parts of the Arab world shared [Husseini's] sympathy with Nazi Germany during the Second World War... Haj Amin's popularity among the Palestinian Arabs and within the Arab states actually increased more than ever during his period with the Nazis." In 1948, the National Palestinian Council elected Husseini as its president, even though he was a wanted war criminal living in exile in Egypt. Indeed, Husseini is still revered today among many Palestinians as a national hero. Yasser Arafat, in an interview conducted in 2002 and reprinted in the Palestinian daily Al-Quds on August 2, 2002, called Husseini "our hero," referring to the Palestinian people. Arafat also boasted of being "one of his troops," even though he knew Husseini was "considered an ally of Nazis." Today many Palestinians in east Jerusalem want to turn his home into a shrine. (Ironically, it is this home that was bought by a Jew to build the controversial Jewish housing development in east Jerusalem.) It is a myth, therefore - another myth perpetrated by Iran's mythmaker-in-chief as well as by Hamas and by many on the hard left who seek to demonize Israel - that the Palestinians played "no role" in the Holocaust. Considering the active support by the Palestinian leadership and masses for the losing side of a genocidal war, it was more than fair for the United Nations to offer them a state of their own on more than half of the arable land of the British mandate. The Palestinians rejected that offer and several since because they wanted there not to be a Jewish state more than they wanted their own state. That was Husseini's position. Hamas still takes that position. Perhaps their new "culture war" will finally cause them to reconsider - and to accept the two-state solution.
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Said, London,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Some of the highest ranking Nazi officers were either Jews or half-Jews ("mischlinge"), yet I don't see you clamouring to blame Jews themselves for the Holocaust. YOu also consistently fail to mention that there was substantial opposition to Husseini lead manily by the Nashashibis, who advocated coesitance. But you wouldn't care about telling both sides of the story, only the parts that serve your arguments!
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Albert Sorensen, Oslo,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
The media campaigns following this new Hamas actions, throughout Europe and the US, should be studied: How does these networks really work? Take the Oslo process: A fatal failure all the way, and there are those who point at the KGB behind key persons in Oslo, way before the backchannel came to lime light. Such as KGB offisers as Viktor Grusjko, Gennadi Titov, Leonid Makarov, Vasili Toropov, Vasili Kirrilov and more were all accupied with work on this "Oslo channel" from 1977.
Its about time to go into this channels and networks of back doors, parking democracy on the cost of Israel existence.
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Howard in Toronto,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
The only way to effectively counter the Hamas "Culture War" is for the organized Jewish groups in Canada and elsewhere to exploit the willingness of the broadcast media to present both sides. For the past 10 years the Canadian Jewish advocacy groups have abrogated their responsibilities to challenge the daily barrage of falsehoods broadcast by Palestinian spokesmen on TV. CBC, CTV, and Global have expressed dismay at the unwillingness of CIC and CJC to provide their own spokesmen on TV. Every lie must be publicly and immediately redressed by CIC at the same time. Else Hamas wins this war.
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Lbnaz,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Said - links and references please both for your contention that "some of the highest ranking Nazi officers were either Jews or half-Jews (mischlinge)" and for your contention that the "Nashashibis advocated co-existence".
The Nashashibis opposed the Mufti and his Higher Arab Committee and some within their ranks even cooperated with the British and secretly collaborated with Jews against the Mufti during the 1936-39 strike and insurrection (before the Mufti's men had them exiled, threatened or killed), but never openly advocated co-existence with Jews in Palestine.
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benson,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
To Said. Continued. Your comment about Jews being high ranking Nazis is beneath contempt.
There are one or two cases which some Jews did pass themselves off as low level nazis to survive, but the Nazis conducted background checks on all SS soldiers. Incidently there were concentration camps in arab countries and massive pograms, against Jews not Zionists.
850.000 Jews were forcrd out of arab countries. Israel has almost as much Jews from arab
racism as from European.
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Paul M,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Said,
Is there a competition for first and best racist? Congratulations: I think you won.
Mischlinge means "mixed breed". Does that sound like proud Jews, the spokesmen of their people, to you? It's the opposite. While Hajj Amin was helping the Palestinians define their identity by their hatred of Jews, the Mischlinge were in full flight from their own, Jewish connection.
The word is pure racism. It defines someone not by what they believe or how they act, but by the percentage of Jewish blood in their veins. Now you're using it the same way to tar other Jews by virtue of their blood-link
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bannister , USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
In the next breath you will say there are no Palestinian people.
Apparently from this article we can surmise there always have been Palestinians in Palestine.
You cannot have it both ways Alan, Either there are Palestinians who don't like you and have rights to Palestine or there never were Palestinians and they of course cannot be blamed for the holocaust.
Which is is ?
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Rock Emes, Jerusalem,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Hey Professor,
One Arab's complicity doesn't indict the whole Arab nation! Seriously! Why not focus on the Jews' history which is the best claim to The Land of all? What are you afraid of? Could it be Him?
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Peter USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
In response to Comment #1
Now that you have pointed out the Nashashibis wanted co-existence, why don't you explain your lack of outrage that the popular Husseini did what he did.
You comment the some of the highest ranking Nazi officers were Jewish or half-Jewish and for that reason Mr. Dershowitz is a being hypocritical, is so ridiculous as to make a sane person want to cry. Husseini spoke for the Muslims. He was a political leader. He is championed today by Muslims. Shame on the Muslims for these views and shame on you.
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Tod Zuckerman, San Francisco,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Dear Mr. Dershowitz : Great column - all of your columns are excellent, except when they concern Obama . Then, they read like the columns written by the Jewish academics whom you, in the past, have called cowardly. You should regain your courage when it comes to Obama - his Cairo speech, as you know (but will not admit) adopted the Hamas narrative , and his endorsement of the Saudi "peace plan" ( Arafat's old plan for Israel's liquidation) is even scarier. Finally, his hands off attitude toward Iran could mean catastrophe for Israel. Your timidity re Obama is unbecoming, and very harmful.
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Tim, London,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Blimey! This is a new one. So the Palestinians can now be blamed for the holocaust. If this is the case, why didn't Israel just completely overrun the West bank, expel thousands more, and just end all posibility of a Palestinian state, as soon as they could. In fact why is Israel actually bothering to negotiate. Surely if they were so responsible, Israel should have taken its revenge with even more repression, even more brutality and even more violence against them. These selective linkages between Palestinians and the past just make peace harder and strengthen extremists on both sides.
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David,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
I don't know about "Double Standard Watch" -- more like "Double Standard Factory." Dershowitz neglects to mention that Nazism and Zionism were born of the same "Romantic" nationalistic tendencies which co-evolved into two different ideologies for two different people -- but they had the same themes and eerily many of the same forms of expression. Nazism took the additional step of gassing and burning Jews, but otherwise the themes of expansionism, the attachment of a Volk to "its" land, and the demonization and deportation of the "other" are present in both.
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bannister , USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Field Marshal Lewinsky In charge of the eastern front.
His parents knew him as Lewinsky while his adopted parents knew him as Erich Von Man stein.
In overall command of the Wehrmacht where most of the holocaust happened.
Self Hating on a extermination level.
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Mike Feldman, Canada,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Lbnaz- peple like Said never learned how to deal with those who do not share their views, just as the Prophet did not reason with his detractors. He just killed them. So, Said uses the "Big Lie'". first employed by Adolph Hitler in the 1920's.
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Telhassy Teezee Cairo Egypt,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Said here is a reference for you
[ Link to page ]
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Shalom,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
TO SAID #1, Your allegations about the highest ranking nazi officials being of jewish descent is typical to your etnic background. It is totally false and just a completely ignorant person could accept it.
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klaus milwaukee,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
avigdor lieberman is right on. Obama,clinton,mitchell,ross are just delusional. There will be peace between the Taliban and the usa before the palestinians and israel
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adelle mahrubi,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
#1 said
the nashashibis could care less about coexistence with the jews at that time. what they wanted was to take the power away from the mufti...a story of nashashibis and huseinis power battles in palestine at that time. it had nothing to do with the nashashibis altruistic motives to coexist with the jews. it was the arab power struggle for control and coexistence was not part of it...and you know it! the same power struggles in hamas and fateh where neither cares about coexisting and accepting jews in the middle east. period...and you know it if you dare be honest with yourself.
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Mark Katzman, San Francisco,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Alan...hamas and the palis won't have to change because your leftist/socialist in the White House will enable them in their quest to exterminate the Jewish state. Don't forget, it was he who not too long ago addressed the middle eastern arabs and suggested that, "...the West created the Jewish state out of guilt over the Holocaust" Your recollection of facts are accurate but meaningless or else someone like Obama couldn't take the attitude he has toward Israel.
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steve, tel aviv,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Why Ahmadinejad talks about the Holocaust is just as important as what he says. Iranian and Arab leaders have always expressed their support for the Palestinians and their shared desire to annihilate the Israelis as a way to galvanize domestic support, while simultaneously deflecting their own populations dissatisfaction with their oppressive regimes. The Palestinian problem has been festering for generations. Still no Muslim leader sees it in their best interest to help the Palestinians establish their own state. These Muslims have been selling the Palestinians out for over 60 years.
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Dra Gabriel Dekel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
The two Sate Final Solution, you should add to your article.
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alain,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Thank you Alan Dershowitz for this very important and precious article!!!
abe
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Alan Bernson Boston, MA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Mr. Dershowitz; You confuse me.
You point ou in your article that the Palestinian national objective has always been the destruction of Israel and its Jews. Yet you have long been a supporter of " the two state solution " I don't understand why you want to help themaqchieve their genocidial objectibes by giving them a state from which they can launch their attack
Nor do I understand your support for Hillary and Obama who are dedicated to help the Palestinains in every way they can.
Palestinians have genocide as their National Objective.
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Mark Brown, Northbrook, Illinois,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Let us pray that Alan Dershowitz is heard! He guides us eloquently and with truth and fairness to all sides in the middle east. What a man!
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Chris USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
A well written and researched article that begs a far different conclusion then that offered by Dershowitz.
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James Wilson MD,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Mr Dershowitz, as an aside, and admittedly choosing my words loosely, did not President Obama, (your main man) imply that the Holocaust gave rise to he birth of Israel - thus giving succor to the new Arab narrative?
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Alan, Anchorage,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
If you want an easy culture war, we'll send you our educational system for a generation or two. We are in tyranny and no one knows it. They would have to look it up... if they would get off the couch...
Take our liberals (for instance), please.
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yves Miedzianogora Brussels,Belgium,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
To all: mandatory reading:"Halbmond und Hakenkreuz"(Crescent and swastika) by Mallman and Cuppers. This great book (maybe translated into English) reveals the contents of III Reich archives that have never been explored in the past.It is more frightening than what Prof.Dershowitz explains!!!!!It explicitly reveals the active participation of the mufti and the Pal.Arabs in Einsatzgruppen "Tunis "and "Agypten"headed and trained by the head of commando 101 who conducted the infamous "Aktionen" in Eastern Europe in 1940-41.Happy reading!!!!
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Andras, London,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Excellent article. It may well be a good idea to tell Obama about the content, who is or chooses to be ignorant about the related issues.
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Mark,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
"The propounders of this historical argument suggest that the West created the Jewish state out of guilt over the Holocaust." Obama, in his recent Cairo speech, made this very claim, but Prof. Dershowitz still can't admit his mistake in urging Jews to suport this most anti-Israel of all American presidents.
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DavidM,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
The truth about the Mufti's role in the Holocaust should be presented everywhere to rebut the lies told by the anti-Israel propaganda machine. A good place to start is the university. Right now only the anti-Israel side is allowed on college faculties. In their thirst for Saudi petro dollars the universities have set up anti-Israel propaganda centers called "Middle East" studies. At Columbia University they even invited the president of Iran to give a speech promoting Holocaust denial. Harvard and Georgetown have departments filled with anti-Israel propagandists. They must be challenged now..
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Howard in Toronto,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Over the years there have been Palestinians who want to make peace with Israel and build a future for their children. But these "moderates" have been killed by Hamas and the PLO. Israel should destroy every Hamas terrorist in Gaza (like the Sri Lankans did to the Tamils to world applause) and exile Abbas to France where he can enjoy the billions he extorted with Arafat. Then moderate Palestinian leaders can emerge and together with Israel build a prosperous state for themselves. The global community cannot help because of its inherent propensity to scapegoat Jews for every ill in the world.
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Michael Port,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
To Said.. The modern arab society in 21st century generates myriad of myths and then presents it to the mob as true reality. So, there is a true reality that 9/11 destruction is a deed of CIA and Mossad, there is a true reality of Protocols... Now, there is a true fact of jewish nazi officers. You people are seriously infected.
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Simon- London,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
To 7
Can you explain your completely incoherent post? Ohh its BANNISTER! Never mind..
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Andrew NYC,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
As usual, heat but no light. Everything in this man's world leads to the same dead end: bad, bad settlers out to make room for the Arabs and the "two-state solution."
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C Bozner,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
#7, 13 Bannister -you are such a fool. First of all, Dershowitz's column only explores Palestine in the 20th century. This does not mean he believes (or does not believe) that there is such thing as a "Palestinian" people beyond the broader "Arab" identity. Therefore, your statement that "we can surmise there always have been Palestinians in Palestine" is utter rubbish.
As for your continued attempts to state that Von Man stein (sic) was Jewish, he was not and this has been proven time and again.
Save your posts for the jihadist sites. We on jpost are well informed; too much for you.
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1st degree Mischling, halachic Jew,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
"...Husseini's significant contributions to the Holocaust were multi-fold: first, he pleaded with Hitler to exterminate European Jewry and advised the Nazis on how to do so...." Ha ha ha ! Well, NOW Dershy finally exposes the truth. Hitler was really just a dummy Jew-hater who didn't know how to go about dealing with the Jews. The devil behind bumbling Hitler was really Husseini whom he needed for"advise" how to carry out a proper holocaust. Without Hussein a clueless HIlter wouldn't have known how to manage the extermination of people. Thank you, Dershy - for exonerating Hitler!
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Hillel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
#11 He did not blame them for the holocaust, he points out the complicity and ideological ties between Palestinian leadership and the Nazis. It is fallacious to say that 'if they were so horrible, then..' Is it possible that they are as horrible and brutal as they are, yet Israel, for political, and so-called moral reasons, would find the brutality you suggest as repugnant, no matter how genocidal their enemy may be? Israel was prepared to negotiate with Arafat, an arch-murdering thug; or does this fact now make him a tinker- bell-tutu-wearing paradigm of benevolence.
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Jo Ellen Davey Cohen Chicago, Illinois,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
The U.S. State Department has designated Hamas as a terrorist organization. Trading rockets and suicide vests for an upgrade of faux cultured charm will not resonate with the American public. One would find it hard to argue the merits of a two state solution when the majority of Palestinian people support the efforts of Hamas to eliminate the State of Israel. The Oslo Accords, as well as the Annapolis Accords, were doomed from inception in large part due to a lack of parity in the language of the contractual agreement: 'Land-for-Peace'
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Jeff California,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Dershowitz's statement that the Mufti "personally stopped 4,000 children, accompanied by 500 adults, from leaving Europe and had them sent to Auschwitz and gassed," is almost word for word from the FIRST part of a sentence by Raul Hilberg, on p. 504 of the "Destruction of the European Jews which Dersh then twists into a deliberate lie. According to Hilberg, "4,000 children, accompanied by 500 adults reached Palestine and for that reason he [Mufti] asked the German Foreign Minister to do his utmost to prevent further information from Bulgaria, Roumania and Hungary." That's all in 790 pages.
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Hector,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
why don't you have balls like Ben Stein?
. [ Link to page ]
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Gilla Jerusalem,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Thank you for an excellent article.
It is sad to see that President Obama espoused in his Cairo speech the very mantra that the Palestinians are paying for the crimes of Europe.
It is very sad that never once did the President speak of the deep emotional and historical connection between the Jewish people and Israel.
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N.Khashiem,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Ok, now we know why Israel been established in Plestine,couse an old man called mufti or husseini was close frind to Hetler,and was a powerfull man in Romania,Hungary and Balkans eleminating every single Jew he graps. Man was asked how u could lern to lie,said I tell what I hear and ( read).
Mr. Dershowitz Iam sure that u know that repeting the lie on day it'll be a fact the same what some did not long time a go.
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Said, London,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
To #4,#5# and #6 Read a book called Hitler's Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg, then you can come back and hurl as much abuse as you want! #6 Paul, what a typical knee-jerk reaction from jerks like you who mindlessly yell "ANTI-SEMITE" whenever you read something that make yous feel uncomfortable. And about the Nashashibis #4, they're our family friends and told us the story of how and why they got kicked out by the Husseinis! If any of you had half a brain, you'd realise that my argument was against Dershowitz doing his regular shtick of guilt-by-assossiaction for all Arabs
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Paul Australia,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
If its written by Dershowitz, then truth is irrelevant. The only thing worthy of study is the purpose such an article serves regardless of how little or how much truth it contains. That's how this dodgy Zionist piece of work operates.
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Shlomo, Israel,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
SAID 2 much, understood 2 little:
[ Link to page ] has a quick review of the said book and it looks like you are basically passing on lies. Yes Manstein was a fieldmarshall but he was not an ardent Nazi and didn't consider himself Jewish (And if you read "Stalingrad", he didn't participate in war crimes).
AS for guilt by association, nu, the Husseinis were Nazis and they were your leaders. Till this day too many of your folk are still Nazis. Maybe you are all not guilty, but you certainly are not all innocents.
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me ohio,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Great article. Certainly brought out the kooks. Thanks.
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Chesire11, Boston,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Prof. Dershowitz has embraced the notion of "race guilt." A Palestinian leader in the 1940's was pro-Nazi, therefore, it's ok to abuse Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip today. I understand that Prof. Dershowitz is a lawyer and so cares only about the appeal of an argument and nothing about its soundness or (God forbid!) morality, but given the historical precedent for this sort of racist bile, I am taken aback.
Hamas is a vile, racist organization in its own right - painting all Palestinians as little Hitlers only serves to dehumanize individuals and justify their abuse and oppression.
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Tray, Tennessee,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Thank you for directing the light of truth on this suppressed history. In Britain in 2007, in a stunning move of thought suppression, Leeds University at the last minute denied German academic Mathias Kuntzel the chance to present his scholarship on Nazi-Islamic links. [ [ Link to page ] ]. Hopefully, Western Europeans can reverse the sharia-creep which presently limits their ability to speak truth, even to the point of curtailing academic freedom when it does not fit with the preferred vision of the Israeli aggressor.
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Said, London,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
#45 Paul: I read your link, and I'd like you to explain to me where exaclty am I passing on lies? The fact remains that Jews and those of Jewish ancestry fought with the Nazis. Now, if some of them who were actually there at the camps or fighting in the German army didn't know exactly what was going on, how do you expect the Arabs at the time (thousands of miles away) to know? You find it so easy to blame ALL Arabs for the atrocities carried out by the Nazis because you're a lazy bigot who can't be bothered to think objectively. You're like the author: guilt-by-association.
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Ruben Misrahi, Beachwood, OH,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Good article. But this Holocaust - Israel equation is dangerous.
Obama used it in his speech and he probably knows that its support is weak at best.
The yearning to return to our own land was not born in the ashes of Auschwitz, it's been nurtured for 2,000 years. It's strength doesn't derive from one source, nor it depends on the gentiles recognition.
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Sherlock Holmes London,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
The Arab world in general opposed Britain and supported Hitler. There was an Arabic translation of Mein Kampf and a daily pro-Hitler Arabic newspaper published in Baghdad. There was an Arabic branch of Hitler Youth with Arabs attending youth rallies in Germany. Britain finally closed the gates to Palestine turning away Jews escaping from Nazism because of rising pressure from the Arabs in Palestine. About one third of British Imperial forces in North Africa were Muslims [ but not necessarily Arabs] and Britain feared problems if Britain had to purt down Muslim riots in Palestine.
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Joseph Baltimore,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
#1 Some of the highest ranking Nazi officers were Jews or half-Jews...' Admittedly the half-Jews remained an open problems for the racial theorists -- why lose valuable half- Aryans ? But can you name any of the highest ranking Nazi officers who were Jewish? Or even half-Jewish? The SS, like the Jesuits, required 'pure Christian blood' for several generations.
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Smithie,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Obama is not a friend of Israel. Why so many jewish people voted for him is beyond me! Israel is FANTASTIC and I guess the American jews are out of touch with that fact. He is allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons for the annhilation of Israel, plain and simple. Sorry to have to let you know that, professor, but someone's got to tell ya!
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Daniel NYC,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
Everyone who has been taken in by Alan Dershowitz and his phony (but lucrative) "defense of Israel" should read #23 - Alan Bernson. His post exposes Dershowitz for the ultra-liberal hypocrite he is and the central contradiction in his positions: Dershowitz says he's trying to strengthen Israel while advocating policies that would destroy her.
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Michael Santomauro,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST: A New Look At Both Sides by Thomas Dalton, PhD
Publisher's Note: This is a non-Revisionist title for Theses & Dissertations Press. It will be the first book on the Holocaust, in publishing history, that will not take a Traditionalist or a Revisionist point of view.
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bannister , USA,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
46 You are mostly correct. Manstein was not ardent Nazi but he was in charge and if you read Breviors Stalingrad you know he had to sign off on orders which were authorizing elements of the Holocaust. not the death camps but the racial based policies of genocide by planned starvation.
"The General Plan East" was implemented by Mansteins troops.
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Liz,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
#12 - Did you get that kakamamie comparison of Zionism and Nazism from one of your college professors? Or maybe YOU are the ignorant professor who concocted that nonsense. From the point of view of the Jewish socialists who started the Zionist movement, it was about fulfilling the 2,000 year-old dream of returning to Zion and embracing separatism rather than enduring the world's hatred elsewhere. For the rest of the world, the Zionism" was about creating a reservation where the world's Jews could remain out of sight and mind. But even that couldn't satisfy Jew hatred, which rages on today.
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Emmanuel St John, London,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
Alan M. Dershowitz has gone bananas! Bring in the men in white coats.
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Joe Boysen, California,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
Field Marshal Erhard Milch, Goering's second, who ran the entire Luftwaffe for years, was half Jewish, a major example. There apparently were many, See [ Link to page ] . We do not have a correct understanding of the actual state of affairs in this situation, & others. As much as other people, except for the Jewish people, who have been totally brainwashed with seflserving fictions, & arguably more, we have been lied to ALWAYS, & given the VICTORS truth. We Anglo-Americans are the great murderers of the past century, along w/ our freedom loving allies. Joe Boysen
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