Double Standard Watch: Who's making these Nazi-like statements?

Hate & its History is not only the past and today's present . It will go on ... and on..as long as we are stiil here in this world.. fact :(Others ara gone.,,,!.) we intend to be here forever and for that we must be united.
it can be done only with a strong state of israel.
Shalom .
Ely Doron

Thanks Alan! Well said. We must not rest, until those ugly antisemites are exposed to the world.

YOU SHOULD REFLECT ON ABANDONING USING THE LAW FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT AND AGRANDIZEMENT. THE JEW IS SUPPOSED TO BECOME A PEOPLE OF PRIESTS AND A HOLY NATION AND YOU'RE A BUSINESS MINDED INDIVIDUAL. BEFORE CRITICIZING OTHERS, LOOK AT YOURSELF FIRST. HUMBLE YOURSELF IN FRONT OF THE LORD.

Mr ben dayan.
Have you hear about Sinat chinam... that is whatyou doing.
we are all brothers Achim and responsible for each other.
kolisrael arevim zeh la zeh.
wise up dude. !

The third statement is nonsense since Israel plays a minor role. As far as your arguments go Dr. Dershowitz, yes I understand the need for a Jewish state, but as I age I also feel sympathetic toward the Palestinians. Sure, a two state solution is fine for someone without a state. It means, some state, instead of no state. But for the other party it equates to losing half of their state. If I came and claimed your whole home and after 60 years showed willingness to make painful concessions and give you back half of it, would you find that fair? Nonetheless, the column was an interesting read.

I think Israel is afraid of Iran ..for reasons of controling the mid east...

Would Israel invlove the world in a world war to distroy it's rival for business & social control of the mid east...I believe the answer is yes!

Sadly..American's are un-informed about the realtiy...billions & billions of aid to Israel...a small spot on the world map..What about Africa, South America, etc. Why Why Why ?

Why the effort to get all Jews back in Israel this year?

Does this make me a anti Jewish person for asking questions?..in this world ..it appears so.

Rick in Florida

we must be in their faces and show them to be the racists, anti-semites, ignorant of history, philosophy, theology and ant-humanist that they are.

as for this mister ben dayan, i cannot accept that he is a real person but a useful idiot as the communists used to call their disimformation agents. also his view is so distorted he can be described as out of touch with reality.

Thanks Dershowitz for focusing on these Jew haters. We need to stress again,
The League of Nations Mandate of Palestine, and article 80 of the UN charter, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, a 10,000 square mile area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law and valid to this day. . US Congress unanimously the Mandate for Palestine on July 24, 1922. Tony Kushner claim for illegal Jewish settlements has no legal basis, and represent his personal animosity of the Israeli Jews.

When there is none to hate - hate the Jews. What's new? Nothing... Nothing at all! From my experience, we ought to take sides in this hateful world. And I chose mine own one, whether it is right or wrong, moraly or otherwise. Because, my side is always wrong in the eyes of the entire world... So, hell with them. We shoulf be only worried about us, the Jews, and be united as one people.

...Ely, Doron you are right... Sin'at Hinam - this is the only thing that scares me to death, not the Arabs, not the Russian or even Chinese. Failure to learn from our own bloody history, that's scares me more than any proclamation by Ahmadinajad and those alike. I wish HaShem will make us realize this before we go distinct...

Part 1

Rick in Florida:

Asking questions would not make me think you are anti-Jewish, but your answers could. What reason do you have to believe that Israel would cause a world war for business or social control of the mid-east? How could Israel, a country with a miniscule population compared to the rest of the region ever hope to have such control? How could they possibly exert it? If there was a world war, given the statements and actions by all its enemies, wouldn't Israel be likely to suffer tremendously?

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To Rick in Florida

Part 2
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By saying you think Israel would do such a thing, I assume that you have not really thought it through, and that you are making such a statement based on emotion, or in other words, you have already decided that Israel is evil and wrong. One could easily infer from that that you are anti-Jewish.

I'm amazed at the ignorance of history demonstrated here. The Balfour Accords (in 1922) set aside the transJordon and the area between the Jordon R. and the Med for the Jews. The Arabs (now using the incorrect monicker "palistinians) were given the other 80% of the historic "Jewish homelands". The British were to safeguard the Jewish lands with the "British Mandate". In 1948, the UN took another 10% of historic Israel and gave it also to the Arabs. This was not enough, so the Arabs declared war on Israel. They lost, 3times! So the Arabs now are waging a demographic war against Israel.

For generations upon generations Jews lost everything. It happen in Arab/Muslim countries. Take these assets and give it to the Palestinians. The Muslim countries love the current situation because it diverts attention to the conflict of the palestinians instead of looking at their totalitarian regimes. Check the conditions of the Palestinian refugee camps in the Arab countries, it is deplorable . Instead of helping these refugees, the Arabs treat them as animals in a Greek Colosseum. Muslims have so much money due to oil, they push the Palestinian cause and it became a world issue.

To Rick FL
Israel sits on a geographical area connecting Africa, and Europe facing the sea. It is also, the only democratic country in a large area. Also, it does contribute in many areas to the world economy.If it was not for the money of the Arab/Muslim countries you would hear about this conflict. All that wasted money, what are some Arab/Muslim produce, terrorists? Countries in Africa are starving, are you aware of the particulars?

Even you are not accurate in the description of the establishemtn of the mordern Israel, by saying that "the United Nations division of the contested area into two states: one for the Palestinians and one for the Jews." There were no known "Palestinians" at the time, they were called Arabs. Palestinians should be called Jews living in what was known as "Palestine" as well as Arabs.

Israel is the only democracy in the Middle east as the Jews among the nations.

No matter what will israel do to promot peace
as long as we are there in full existence there will be Anti jewish anti semitic actions. i can not imagen what will happend to the jews around the world if g-d forbid israel was no more tomorow....
you then will see all the forms (about 7)of anti-semitism actuly being impemented.
The destruction and genocide of the jewish People.
shalom.
Ely Doron

Even you are not accurate in the description of the establishemtn of the mordern Israel, by saying that "the United Nations division of the contested area into two states: one for the Palestinians and one for the Jews." There were no known "Palestinians" at the time, they were called Arabs. Palestinians should be called Jews living in what was known as "Palestine" as well as Arabs.

Matthew G #5, as you age you must also become increasingly senile. The "Palestinians" did not have a "state" at any time, before or after the UN resolution. In fact, most of today's middle eastern countries did not have a "state" until the British and French created boundaries, and later organized into nation-states, well after the Ottoman empire collapsed. The arbitrary boundaries of British Mandate Palestine were intended for a Jewish homeland. Only made a state with Israel's declaration of Independence.

To Post # 5, Matthew G - Every issue can be argued from two sides. So, the fact that you are able to make a case for the Palestinian Arabs is no surprise. But, please note that there have been Jews in the land of Israel continuously from the days of the Bible. Why is it that they do not have a claim to the land? It is not like the Jews left voluntarily. As you seem to tacitly acknowldge, any issue can be argued from either side. Isn't a two-state solution then the most reasonable?

Hey Rick in Florida, go ahead and ask the quesitons, but they are misinformed questions and the "information" you interject them with is incorrect. "billions and billions" to Israel and not to other countries? Reality check. USA has been arming Arab nations and enemies of Israel for years. Israel doesn't get nearly as much money from the USA as the arab nations. We Jews have always wanted all Jews back in Israel as part of our theological beliefs dating back over 3000 years

Matthew,

The agressor can not have everything back after war.

For this reason we have now Kaliningrad, not Kenigsberg, Gdansk not Danzig and etc.

I agree with Mr. Ely Doron. The land of Yis'ra'eil was given to the Hebrews by Ha-Shem. Honor that gift as you have been doing. Shalom aleichem

I don't believe all critics of Israel are professional Jew haters.Some of them are
however.Rob Barnett,Eliot,and Mike(from
Germany) who frequently post here are examples of Jew haters masquarading as ant-
zionists.The bottom lin is this.The majority of
the critics want Israel to become an Arab ruled country.I say the hell with you!!!!

Israel has been concurred 12 times in the last 2000 years, and no one claim the country as thier own, untill the Arab who came from the surrounding countries called themself Palestinians, wants to be the 24th Arab state. Arabs, have Mecca, Media, Beth lehem and now they want to control Jerusalem , and who knows what is next. maybe Washingto D.C

Ben Kahlo, Lake Forest, USA TUESDAY FEB 05, 2008

Ghandi should look at his Native India and it's Muslim nieghbor to see where the arms race is truly located.

Rick in Florida is in good company. A jury in Florida just found domestic terrorists not guilty of planning war against us in spite of tangible and video taped evidence on the grounds
"they were just playing ninja." More recently they sold us John McCain in the Florida Primary.
How nauseatingly stupid!

Cont. To Rick in Florida; I agree that you are entitled to ask questions. What determines if you are anti-Jewish is the lack of logic to your answers. It is Iran that has stated its intention to destroy Israel repeatedly in speeches. I do not recall the Israeli government stating the destruction of Iran as its goal. In fact, under the Shah, Iran was an ally of Israel. To ignore the stated declarations of Iran while giving priority to unstated and probably unproven motives of Israel is what is anti-Jewish

Matt G. - The Jews have had a continuous presence in the land called "Palestine" since before Christ. They were called Palestinians during WW2. The Muslims' issue is not about borders, but about Israel's existence. They've been trying to destroy it and the Jews since before Israel's birth, despite their oil billion$ and having a land mass 700x the size of little Israel. If the Arabs put down their weapons and quit terrorizing Israel there would be peace. If Israel put down her weapons and refused to fight there would be no more Israel.

To- To Mr.Dershowitz-1 Mr. Dershowitz is good at defending the Guilty. After all he defended many guilty persons including OJ Simpson and he as always is a very good and convincing Lawyer. Let me ask you Sir, for once to be on the good side and defend the victim. During the creation of the state of Israel, I lost my home. My 10-year-old brother was killed at the hands of the Zionist gangs. My village in upper Galilee was totally destroyed and its inhabitants ended up as refugees in Israel, the Arab countries and all over the world. Our family structure has been

To Mr.Dershowitz-2 family member live in different countries and in many cases brothers and sisters are separated can’t visit or meet each other’s.
My case against the Zionists is the following: They have stolen my family land, home and killed my brother. I am asking for justice. I want my home and country back. I know its difficult to reverse what happened in 1948, therefore I will accept to live in a Palestinian state in the west bank and Gaza provided that reasonable compensation for my family’s lost home and land.

To Mr.Dershowitz-3 In the court I will standup in front of the judge and I will point the finger at Zionism and associate it with racism. Didn’t Zionism as a political movement resulted in the loss of my home to a Jewish family? What was my family fault except for being not Jewish? If We were Jewish would my family have lost their home and Land?
For me, and other peace loving people in the world; to criticize Israel and Zionism as a political movement is simply a stand against injustice. Even to be against the creation of the state of Israel, is a political stand against injustice,

To #6: You need to learn your history. It's more, if I lived in my home and was a sovereign nation in that land, someone came, armed by others and massacred my family, and then I came back nonetheless to reclaim my home, but for the sake of peace, I will make a territorial concession you are not entitled to... see Hebron massacre of 1929, for example.

See Mark Twain, innocents abroad, travelogue reporting who lived where....

you can't claim a homeland when you have never "lived there".

Unlike Ghandi or Short, Tony Kushner is a Jew who speaks glowingly about his heritage and is not ashamed to laud that unique NY jewish environment that gave rise to a Jewish population of rich talent and intellect. I have heard said that Tony's animosity toward Israel is a displacement of the bitter feelings he harbors for the Israeli goliath who deflowered and then abandoned him. Perhaps that is why Tony has trouble standing up for Israel.

Palastinian CA. your femily were NOT kicked out. they left in a hurry answering the call of their big brothers the Arab world to flee and lettheir army yake care of the jews.
however the jews were kickd out fron all areb countreys and were forced to leave
they did not riot and kill like your brothers did in so called palastine ( A roman name that was revieved by england)
i am sorry that your bros are nor treting you well ya chabibi but.. it is wrriten in the bible when g-ds promised hagar what kind of nation they will be . ...!
Salam.
Dly Doron

l ook.

It is interesting to note that PBS recently ran a series entitled "Jews in America," which traces the history of Jews coming to America since the 1600's. One of the featured commentators was Tony Kushner. He opened his first comments by saying "I am gay, American, and Jewish." He forgot another word to describe himself, pathetic.

Kol haKavod, Alan!
The best definition of anti-Semitism I heard from then Ambassador to Germany Avi Primor in a lecture given right after the infamous "Nablus massacre": To criticize Israel or the Jews is one thing. But believing that they are capable of doing what their ennemy's propaganda claims they are doing, without checking the facts, that's anti-Semitism.
Shalom.

Let me give one piece of practical advice: Boycott Tony Kushner's plays.

WHY????? WHY?????

Why do you call "Arabs" "Palestinians"????

Especially in this context????

UN partitioned the 22% REMAINING part of the Mandate into a "Jewish" and "Arab" states...

Don't you see that you (EVEN you) have been thoroughly brainwashed?!

I love and respect you -- but you are SO wrong in this case...

Don't bother to defend your choice of words, if I have made an impact that's fine, if not -- well ...

With all due respect, f.

Tony Kushner should also be aware that as a homosexual, he would be stoned or worse in any Arab country, while the Israelis openly support gay-pride parades, bars, nightclubs, same-sex unions, MP's, etc. For someone who espouses tolerance for gays, he would do well to support his fellow Jews. Such hyprocracy is astounding.

To Ely Doron: I see you know much more about my family than I do. I guess my brother ranaway or he is with my brothers (the Arabs) waiting to be found since 1948? You are beyond ridiculous, please don’t respond because I will not respond to you again. No thanks for your Salaam because you know nothing about that.

Alan Dershowitz is a true-blue Jewish patriot who says what he means and means what he says.

That said, in its essence, political anti-Semitism , like any other form of bigotry, is a mental shortcut to describe causation.

While white bread bigots are a spent force nowadays, third world fascists have taken over where the nazis left off. Arun Gandhi knew exactly what he was saying there, and his mea culpa afterwards was a pathetic attempt at damage control.

Lest we forget. We must always stay vigilant.

From reading the comments, it seems that every person who left the area that became Israel, lost a brother. Never mind that the refugees were not accorded citizenship or even a livelihood in the countries they entered, but were placed in squalid refugee camps. 20% of Israelis are Muslim, with representation in the Knesset. Any Jews in a majority Muslim government? Any return for the over million Jews kicked out of Muslim countries? The area called Palestine was a territory where Jews, Muslims and Christian lived - Jews simply accepted the U.N. mandate for Statehood.

From reading the comments, it seems that every person who left the area that became Israel, lost a brother. Never mind that the refugees were not accorded citizenship or even a livelihood in the countries they entered, but were placed in squalid refugee camps. 20% of Israelis are Muslim, with representation in the Knesset. Any Jews in a majority Muslim government? Any return for the over million Jews kicked out of Muslim countries? The area called Palestine was a territory where Jews, Muslims and Christian lived - Jews simply accepted the U.N. mandate for Statehood.

Mr. Dershowitz - if you really believe what you say about Israel, then move here already! You can still fly anywhere in the world for speaking engagements and continue to write books and make money - and perhaps your arguments would have more weight by practicing what you preach.

Jeremiah 4
How Israel Can Return to the LORD

"Israel most environmental-friendly nations of the world" typical Alan Dershowitz's lie and disinforamtion.
It would have worked if this lie was directed to the ignorant American audience.
Mr. Dershowitz, Israel is not one of the most environmental-friendly nations. Any one who visited this nation know that Israel is one of the wors environmental record in the world!!
So please!!!

palestinian in california, please excuse me while I try to finish this intense YAWN. If the Arabs hadn't resisted partition plan with armed force and intention to commit genocide on Jews, your suffering would not have occurred. Taking responsibility for the actions of one's own people is indeed hard. But it can be very virtuous. And you can be very satisfied with your lot if you let age-old vandettas and gripes against the Jews slide away into the wilderness.

Mr. Dershowitz,
Fear not. Majority of Hindus don't hate Israel. Infact, we are Israel's and the Jewish people's friend. Mr. Arun Ghandi is just another puny in the oceon. He would have little audience among HIndu crowd. That is why he had to seek audience among guilible westerners. The more India advances economically, the more access poor Hindus would have to information and the internet. The more they would come to know the filth ideology that came out of 7th century Arabia. More will learn about the "peace" that this cult brought to India and become more pro-Israel.
Regards.

Steve, you expected something other than leftist garbage from a PBS production? Let's vote to cut funding for public television already. It represents only one, narrow political view.

Arun Gandhi has no authority on the Mahatma Gandhi's values, just by inheritence one cannot be a successor...by making such a statement against Israel and Israeli Jews this Gandhi guy has stooped down to the level of Ahmadinejad's.

We and other fellow citizens of India support Israel for it's right to existence and right to defend itself by pre emptive strikes towards those creating problem and injecting attacks on Israel.

CLEARLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GHANDI. YOU'RE WELCOME TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION, BUT IF YOUR OPINION IS UNINFORMED, IT HAS NO VALUE.

Now your abandoned by your former overlords (jordan and egypt), and left to whinge alone - yet you blame israel for your woes - Israel's blame for the palestinian plight falls in a distant 5th to, at the least -
a) palestinian hateful culture and pride
b) Egypt and jordan
c) Syria and the other arabs who wouldnt give a cent to ease there suffering
and the list goes on
No peace with palestine until they renounce extreme islam - which wont happen - so keep training that army israel - you fight on behalf of sanity and rationality for the rest of us who just blog...

To the palestinian in California complaining about his lost home and brother ...
You blame israel for your lost home?
Palestinians had the most intollerant culture in the world - guided by pride, patriarchy, etc - do you believe that palestinians were welcoming the new neighbours?
You lost your home and your brother because your people, and your leaders, backed your arab neighbours and lost a war.
You then tried to fight the same war again - and lost a few more times.

Palestinians are descendants of the anceint Israelites.50% of Palestinian muslim males have the same y-chromosome as 70% of Jewish Diaspora males (separation of 2000 years). An additional 30% of Palestinian muslim males have a similar y-chromosome descending from Israel (the northern tribes--with a separation of 2500 years). Google: "y-chromosome jew palestinian" and read the scholarly articles yourself. Both are children of Israel.

Well written, Profesor D! But when will you come to terms with the fact that all of this venemous hate and bile is from the LEFT, the political movement ith which you affiliate. Why is that?? Siding with Palestinians and condemning Israel is merely consistent with the left's accepatnce of truisms like Western colonialism is to blame for the world's problems, the underdog is always right, etc.

Start publicly admitting that the left's philodpohy is what leads to being ANti-Israel --- which them leads to antisemtism. The number of 'proud' Jews who first accept principles of the left and then start o discover Israel's sins is astounding and surely is indicative of a flaw in the political pholosophy which leads to such an errant conclusion. Analyzing is why is painful, I am sure, but views of people like Kushner are caused neithe rby ignorance per se nor by antisemitism -- they are caused by deeply flawed frameworks of political philosophy....

The return of a "rest" of Jewish people in Sion have been announced by the prophets, without their prophecies it should not be happened. The P.in1948 made opposition to Arab armies to build his state? More than 6000 Jewish soldiers died..! The Jews rejected the Arab armies and in the fellowing years fast one million of Jews had to go out from Arab states where their families had leaved for centuries!

2. The big deception was made during the 1° Intifata. In '80 in Europe many thought that any violent aggression was unjust because of nuclear w., but the sistematic use of boys with stones in media seems not violence and the murderer of about one thousand P. accused to be pro-Israel from other P. was fast absent.Since then for many the history chenged(!), the situation due to nuclear w. forgot, not only in M.E.. But today there is not moral justification for attack to get land or to revenge!

I don't know nothing of Tony Kushner before, but I have seen sometimes a Jew to speak against Israel or the orthodox parties in Israel or to favour Islamics in Europe! In our time a lot of Jews are atheist, some of them got a bit of future with communist ideals. But now it's not again a dream "plausible" and rather that to recognize that they made something wrong, they are against Israel, not interested on the Israel's history but supporter of P. and even of Hamas! In truth the return of the Jews in Sion have been announced and is wanted by Gd because of his Plan of salvation of the men.

It seems to me that those Arabs who fulminate so much about the "poor Palestinians" should have been putting their money where their mouths are. Had the Arab leaders used the billions that they get from oil to help the economy and provide jobs to the "palestinians" the Gaza and every other place would be a paradise. Instead they use their wealth to aggrandized themselves with little regard for helping the poor. They are much happier sending the ignorant to maim and kill and to blow themselves up.