Wednesday Jan 21, 2009

Double Standard Watch: The phony war crimes accusation against Israel

Posted by Alan Dershowitz
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Every time Israel seeks to defend its civilians against terrorist attacks, it is accused of war crimes by various United Nations agencies, hard left academics and some in the media.  It is a totally phony charge concocted as part of Hamas' strategy - supported by many on the hard left - to delegitimize and demonize the Jewish state. Israel is the only democracy in the world ever accused of war crimes when it fights a defensive war to protect its civilians. This is remarkable, especially in light of the fact that Israel has killed far fewer civilians than any other country in the world that has faced comparable threats. 

In the most recent war in Gaza fewer than a thousand civilians - even by Hamas' skewed count - have been killed. This, despite the fact that no one can now deny that Hamas had employed a deliberate policy of using children, schools, mosques, apartment buildings and other civilian areas as shields from behind which to launch its deadly anti-personnel rockets. The Israeli Air Force has produced unchallengeable video evidence of this Hamas war crime.

Just to take one comparison, consider the recent wars waged by Russia against Chechnya. In these wars Russian troops have killed tens of thousands of Chechnyan civilians, some of them willfully, at close range and in cold blood. Yet those radical academics who scream bloody murder against Israel (particularly in England) have never called for war crime tribunals to be convened against Russia. Nor have they called for war crime charges to be filed against any other of the many countries that routinely kill civilians, not in an effort to stop enemy terrorists, but just because it is part of their policy. 

Nor did we see the Nuremburg-type rallies that were directed against Israel when hundreds of thousands of civilians were being murdered in Rwanda, in Darfur and in other parts of the world. These bigoted hate-fests are reserved for Israel. 

The accusation of war crimes is nothing more than a tactic selectively invoked by Israel's enemies. Those who cry "war crime" against Israel don't generally care about war crimes, as such, indeed they often support them when engaged in by countries they like. What these people care about, and all they seem to care about, is Israel. Whatever Israel does is wrong regardless of the fact that so many other countries do worse. 

When I raised this concern in a recent debate, my opponent accused me of changing the subject. He said we are talking about Israel now, not Chechnya or Darfur. This reminded me of a famous exchange between Harvard's former president, Abbott Lawrence Lowell, and the great American judge Leonard Hand. Lowell announced that he wanted to reduce the number of Jews at Harvard, because, "Jews cheat." Judge Hand replied that "Christians also cheat." Lowell responded, "You're changing the subject. We are talking about Jews." 

Well, you can't just talk about Jews. Nor can you just talk about the Jewish state. Any discussion of war crimes must be comparative and contextual. If Russia did not commit war crimes when its soldiers massacred tens of thousands of Chechnyans (not even in a defensive war) then on what basis could Israel be accused of accidentally killing a far fewer number of human shields in an effort to protect its civilians?  What are the standards? Why are they not being applied equally or selectively? Can human rights endure in the face of such unequal and selective application? These are the questions the international community should be debating, not whether Israel, and Israel alone, violated the norms of that vaguest of notions called "international law" or the 'law of war."

If Israel, and Israel alone among democracies fighting defensive wars, were ever to be charged with "war crimes," that would mark the end of international human rights law as a neutral arbitrator of conduct. Any international tribunal that were to charge Israel, having not charged the many nations that have done far worse, will lose any remaining legitimacy among fair-minded people of good will,

If the laws of war in particular, and international human rights in general, are to endure, they must be applied to nations in order of the seriousness of the violations, not in order of the political unpopularity of the nations. If the law of war were applied in this manner, Israel would be among the last, and certainly not the first, charged. 

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1  |   Matt, USA, Wednesday Jan 21, 2009
That Israel is treated differently than Russia in Chechnaya, or the U.S. carpet bombing in Afghanistan, is not news, and the pathological focus on Israel has everything to do with anti-Semitism. The problem is that accusations of war crimes or, in more polite circles, "disproportionate response," are not limited to the "hard left." Rather, many moderate leftists and mainstream liberals parrot similar babble, and have failed to unequivocally chastise these positions, perhaps for fear of alienating the constituencies represented by the Daily Kos, Moveon.Org, the Huffington Post and ANSWERla.org.
2  |   Matt, USA, Wednesday Jan 21, 2009
(Part 3) There has been no similar ideological soul searching in moderate leftist or mainstream liberal circles (sadly, not even those populated by Jews). Instead, there is the constant canard of moral relativism when discussing the Middle East situation and a complete and willful ignorance of history when it comes to the right of the Jews to live securely within their homeland.
3  |   Matt, USA, Wednesday Jan 21, 2009
(Part 4) More troubling still is the proliferation of their use of the term "Neocon," which generally refers to former liberal or leftwing Jews who moved ideologically to the right on foreign policy issues, with a meaning similar to Buchanan's pet term “the amen corner," to refer to Jews who allegedly directed U.S. foreign policy during the first Gulf War.
4  |   Matt, USA, Wednesday Jan 21, 2009
(Part 6) It would be refreshing if the liberal body politic would unconditionally condemn hateful expressions re: Israel instead of saying that they have to be considered in context and that even reprehensible speech must be free. While free speech is a fundamental right, so is the right to condemn of hateful speech. Unfortunately, the Left hasn’t uttered such condemnation (mainly because it doesn't believe that such speech should be condemned and because it finds such anti-Semitic expressions acceptable). More disappointingly, even more mainstream liberals seem not to want to upset the Left.
5  |   Patrick S, Switzerland, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Great comments, taylor. What I would like to know are the deeper reason for this hatred of Israel. I cannot personally see anything very wrong with what Israel has been doing, which is not to say that they are saints (thus "very"), but, then, no one is. Even so, demonization of Israel is a very recurrent theme. Can anyone recommend me articles or works which seriously deal with the theme?
6  |   Jon, Berkeley, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Professor Dershowitz is correct. However, Israel has to put as much effort into fighting the propoganda war as it puts into to fighting its military battles. More could have been done to prepare the world for this conflict by announcing in a very public way over an extended period of time that given the fact that Hamas now has access to longer range missles (and is using them), Israel had to launch an invasion. Israel should also work harder to obtain and release video showing Hamas terrorists hiding behind women and children.
7  |   Haim, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
The question is whether Israel has committed war crimes or not (I don't think it has). Derschowitz is skewing to answer this question. Further, the West has more or less successfully persecuted war crimes in Serbia and Bosnia, and in Ruanda. This is because there were observers on the ground, whether journalists or UN observers. There weren't any in Chechnya because the Russians sealed it off. Not witnesses, no persecution. So, either Israel does the same, or it should defend itself against the accusations. Derschowitz should use his lawyer's skills to defend Israel.
8  |   Carol , Long Island, NY, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
I am curious as to whether you know why so much attention to this now. It seems important but a successful distraction away from daily falsified war in Iraq, from where footage is rarely if ever shown...and why is that? Why is the press so riveted and riveting of all of us?
9  |   Johnny, Canada, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Some in the leftist media, UN agencies, human rights watchdog groups and academics target Israel because they need to vent their anger at the successes of "capitalistic" nations and are too afraid to criticize aggressive nations which would tell them to go to hell (e.g., Russia, China, Iran). In that sense, Israel and the U.S. are always easy targets for these hypocrites because they know that Israel and the U.S. will just put up with their rights to complain and criticize. Throw these cowards into North Korea and I'd like to see their courage. These people are insecure.
10  |   ralph Switzerland, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Even a criminal has the right to explain what and why he committed a crime and can be defended by a lawyer. Israel however is accused of "war crimes" ,"or disproportionate reaction" without having the possibility to give his version of the facts. Hamas fires from houses,hospitals , mosques or schools and then hide in the tunnels ithey dug. Instead to protect the civilians they put deliberately their life in danger. It is Hamas responsibles which should condemned for war crimes ,not Israel ralph
11  |   Matthew, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
It is funny how you shoot in your own foot to put your crooked points across. If you want to compare Israel with Russia, fine, but then don't claim that Israel is a democracy. The difference in that case is that it is not the West (a.k.a. the U.S.) that is supplying weapons to Russia, whereas in Gaza, all Western countries are accomplice to the violence inflicted upon Palestinians because without the money and weapons of the West, Israel would not exist today. Dershowitz is good at pointing fingers, but the crimes of an another doesn't justify one's own crimes.
12  |   Pierre, South Africa, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Patrick (switzerland) I think you will find what you are looking for in the Bible. Great article says it all - history repeats its self over and over again. What amazes me is that many people from the western world ( UK, Norway, USA etc) side with the values of Hamas over the values of Israel. I believe it is not just a war between Israel and Pal's but between cultures. Israel and Gaza are at the tip of the spear in this war. They force people to pick sides with the values that they identify with one set of values or the other.
13  |   Sergio M, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Based on your logic, because there are assassins at large no charges should be brought against chicken thieves put on the spotlight by the media?
14  |   Elinor, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
some groups, people, countries will say, report, write WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE. that is what is coming out of Gaza and its partners in many countires.It is the Gaza folks who should be TRIEDfor war crimes, for donning civilian and medical clothes to escape their rightful punishment, walking round with children, carrying babies, killing civilians who were forced to remain in vulnerable areas, leaders HIDING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. wHY SHOULD iSRAELIS HANG AROUND LIKE SITTING DUCKS AND WAIT FO FANATICS TO KILL THEM. pATRICK, YOUR LIBRARY HAS MATERIAL ON THE HISTORY OF ANTI -Semitism
15  |   Jacob, Denver, USA, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Hamas was using civilians as human cannon fodder, not just as human shields. The strategy was not just to avoid being fired upon by hiding in civillian institutions, but to intentionally draw fire to civillian (preferably UN or NGO) institutions. Rockets and mortars, unwilling civillians, and video cameras were all part of the same, integrated weapon system.
16  |   p. taylor U.S.A., Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Patrick S, The book Icon of Evil by Dalin and Rothmann, explains radical Islam and how the Palestinian and Arab Muslim world grabbed on to the ideas of Hitler and Nazism. The Palestinian leader from 1921-48, Al- Husseini, was a big catalyst in spreading the Nazi doctrine in the Arab world as the book details out, combined with the already existing prejudices in the Islamic religion toweard Jews, made for a volatile situation, the book brings insight to the situation. European and Hitlers anti semitism seems to have came from erred Catholic and Lutheran teachings, and the devil himself
17  |   Craig B PSL, FL, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Those stating such crazy things is n ot only anti-Israel but IS anti-Semitism. However, the people saying such things are the chracter of people that Dershowitz has defended. Alan - you need to understand that you are in company of those on teh left that have developed into a new world of anti-Semitism - and in that group are self-hating Jews.
18  |   American Lawyer, ACLU, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
I have two words for Alan Dershowitz. White Phosphorous. Here's two more: Amnesty International. You people do your own research. Alan Dershowitz enjoys taking a clear issue and confusing it, like a lawyer always does. The crimes of russia are as bad as those in Gaza. So? Does this make Israeli policies correct, or moral? No.
19  |   Linda, Seattle area, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
The Palestinian propaganda operation has learned to frame its arguments in terms of the way Americans view things. Americans support human rights, so Palestinian propaganda speaks of war crimes. Lobbyists are current being opposed, so they call pro-Israel organizations a "lobby." Americans believe in proportional representation or proportional taxes. So the propagandists speak of a "disproportionate" response. Israel needs to do a better job in the propaganda war.
20  |   Linda, Seattle area, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Anti-Semitism (and bigotry in general) is a psychopathic brain disorder which could be understood and combatted with neuroscience (such as fMRI), cognitive science and linguistics (framing). The scientific understanding of such malfunctions of the amygdala and the brain's capabilities for judgment and executive control can be reported in scientific journals. The symptoms of anti-Semitism can be clearly stated so that it can be differentiated from just another political opinion. Israeli universities have the capabilities to complete this type of massive research program.
21  |   Kent USA, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
There is a bandwagon effect among people. And every bandwagon is a nonthinking machine hurtling in the wrong direction. Even Jon Stewart, The Daily Show liberal voice, has embraced the "disproportionate" school (and taken along his sycophantic audience of course). How many participants in a war are condemned for not supplying materiel to their existential enemies? Only Israel. And the "targeted" civilian population? They voted for these enemies and are now to be rescued because their elected representatives chose to fire lethal weapons from their midst.
22  |   daat y, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Alan, Why are you afraid to give the main reason-antisemitism? But I applaud your ability to rise above your own left tendencies and see the truth.
23  |   sara london, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Thank God we have this great man to stand for us and I hope that he will take a central position in fighting any case against us.
24  |   Ruben Misrahi, OH, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Right professor. It's not about Hamas, not about the PLO, the Palestinians or the refugees. It's not about human rights. It's about Israel. That's when people's sense of justice become suddenly unbending.
25  |   Jan, Australia, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Dear Mr Dershowitz, The morally weak connive, scheme and hate. The morally strong have a straight path free of hate, as they forgive. The weak are not sure of their good /god and have to lie to try to establish their ideas as right. Those who know the God of Israel know he says what he means and will do what he says in a straight path. Israel is evidence that the God of Israel exists, and so the morally weak hate and scheme against Israel in a vain attempt to establish their own ideas. Israel will divide the world: those for the God of Israel and those against. Those for it will be blessed
26  |   Colin Wright, Richmond, California, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
'The phony war crimes accusations.' !! Alan Dershowitz is sickening.
27  |   Leonepan, Athens,Greece, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Apparently some people have lost any sense of justice, morality and other caracteristics of which humanity consists. It is the first time after 2nd W.W. that a state cconsiderably civilized acts in such a criminal way.Israel introduces the world an unbelievable (in)morality.After the big War we had promised ourselves that NOBODY EVER may discriminate, torture, misuse others and especially defensless civilians, women and children. In our civilized war we judge criminals but we do not burn their houses, kill their women and children.That's why we are civilized....
28  |   Leonepan, Athens,Greece, Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Apparently some people have lost any sense of justice, morality and other caracteristics of which humanity consists. It is the first time after 2nd W.W. that a state cconsiderably civilized acts in such a criminal way.Israel introduces the world an unbelievable (in)morality.After the big War we had promised ourselves that NOBODY EVER may discriminate, torture, misuse others and especially defensless civilians, women and children. In our civilized war we judge criminals but we do not burn their houses, kill their women and children.That's why we are civilized....
29  |   Darryl, Germantown MD,, Friday Jan 23, 2009
To Haim: The prosecution of war criminals has nothing to do with observers. It has to do with having a big enough stick (political, military, or economic) to capture the criminals and the desire to use it. Hence, the US now stops prosecuting terrorists because policy preferences change in America now that the faltering economy gives the American Left the presidency and effective Congressional control. Even the Constitution is what 5 judges can agree it is.
30  |   alain, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Question: Who can scream more loudly? a) 57 Muslim countries (6-7 more on the way) vs 1 Jewish country? b) 1.4 Billion Muslims vs 14 Million Jews?
31  |   TJ, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Mr Dershowitz - can't you get any airtime on TV or radio? I know it would be difficult, particularly if it were the BBC or Channel 4, but you speak so logically and accurately. I have never seen so much anti-Semitism as I have during this latest conflict. It seems to be becoming more and more outspoken, accepted and outrageous. I was not around in the late 20s and 30s, but it sounds as though there are an awful lot of similarities. I do honestly fear for Israel and the Jews. No-one seems to want to stand up for you.
32  |   Dennis, USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Question... didn't Abbott Lawrence Lowell argue with judge "Learned" Hand not "Leonard" Hand? [ Link to page ] "If we are to have in this country racial divisions like those in Europe," he wrote, "let us close up shop now"
33  |   Jeffersonian, Friday Jan 23, 2009
The war crimes committed in the recent onslaught on Gaza residents can not be blamed on helpless international law or on conduct of other countries. Nor can you mask the fact that all 'fair' attempts at creating two state solution has met militant mentality in Israel's electorate that supports perpetual push for 'Greater Israel'. The moderate voices are silenced. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is fueling most of the fire in the world. We, the liberals, are asking you the 'apologists for apartheid of Pals' to look in the mirror: [ Link to page ]
34  |   javen uk, Friday Jan 23, 2009
ishmael is biting at your feet and the christian nations are going along with the old enemy of the house of ISRAEL,the old adversary,it was a miracle that bought you back,prophetic fulfilment ! and Gods favour that keeps you strong ! dont be surprised by what's said in the media,very few westerners want to understand the truth of whats going on in Israel,how can a blindman light a path ? in his stupidity he will fall,how blind are the nations of earth to the plight of Israel ? very ! you are a peculiar people an amazing people and the world is much richer for that ! Stand ISRAEL Stand
35  |   John Yochum Hannibal, Missouri USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
I view myself as an old school Ronald Reagan conservative, yet there is nothing in Alan Dershowitz's opinion piece that I read online, that I would care to object to. Mr. Dershowitz in other writings refers to "foolish liberals". I firmly suspect that Mr. Dershowitz views himself as a liberal on a great many issues. However, on the defense of Israel in this editorial, he has supplied no grounds for this conservative to believe that he is any kind of fool.
36  |   Adrian Gray, Friday Jan 23, 2009
There is an old saying, that what you are doing today is what you would have been doing if you lived back in any time in history. Never think that the spirit of Nazism died with Hitler, its minions just passed onto another generation and that has become the expression of what we are seeing today in these useless recliner rocker low-lifer academics whose only battle has been to decide what handkerchief to snivel into next. England was once the example of a level headed nation when it respected the things of God, now it is a dumping ground for every limp wristed anti- Israel idiot.
37  |   Ben Ami,Tel Aviv, Israel, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Alan, this is an area in which Israel is not doing too well on the PR front. And it is damaging, because many naive simple folk (and there ARE many) are confused by the rhetoric. This problem needs much more than an occasional article in the press (good though your article is), it needs a much more concentrated, organized, counter-campaign. And it needs a prominent internationally respected jurist to lead it. There needs to be a new organization established (similar to the Anti-Defamation League) to put an end to absurd use of war crime allegations for political gain. I'd be pleased to help.
38  |   Ian/Israel, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Israel is held to a higher standard because of the investments made by others in a religion based foundationally on Judaism. They feel the failure of war as an attack on their own ideological beliefs. By relating to these charges of war crimes by others is accepting their insecurity over the event and admitting defeat, there is no refutation possible because even one civilian death would be seen as a war crime by the "higher authority" of the UN. Another dimension is the creation of a secular religion of the UN that is a new Roman Catholic Church representing humanity, and religion at fault
39  |   Modulf Leirfall, Norway, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Who did what and who many they killed does not change the fact that the Israel armed forces have broken international law, and conventions on warfare. No doubt, Hamas are doing the same, but one wrong does not excuse the other. In claiming this Iæm easily claimed for being both leftist and antisemitic, but that doesent bite on me. The resolvment of politics in the middle east should be done by the people living there, but atrocities agains civilians on both sides angers me.
40  |   Santiago (ESP), Friday Jan 23, 2009
Speaking of "context" -- Dershowitz ignores the economic and food blockade of Gaza since Noviember 2007 which constitutes a crime under internationa law and has resulted in mass malnutrition and has been condemned by the IRC the UN, HRW, AI, the World Council of Churches. Dershowitz also ignores the "context" described by Rafael Lemkin in his seminal work on the techniques and stages Axis genocide. That "ghetto rats" fight back from "behind walls" is not surprising; that Jews become oppressive in their "righteousness" is shocking. Read Amira Haas -- one of Israel's few moral voices'
41  |   Roddy Frankel, Friday Jan 23, 2009
To #6: Of course Professor Dershowitz is correct! But you can not blame Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs for inadequate PR. They have been working non-stop trying to get out their message. They have at least a half dozen videos that I have seen documenting Hamas' use of human shields. The problem is that the major media outlets have refused to broadcast these videos. If we all downloaded the videos, burned them on DVD's, and mailed them to our local TV stations by certified mail, then maybe they would get the message.
42  |   marc m. bakhchi, new york city, Friday Jan 23, 2009
excellent analysis Prof Dershowitz. However, what concerns me most when one alayzes the issue is, why? Why is their such an overwhelming two-faced world view in connection with 'cast lead' ? Every country has the right to defend her citizens. could it be that the media (particularly, but not limited to CNN) is so successful at victimizing gazans at the hands of Israel instead of hamas? what am i missing????
43  |   Eric, United States, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Canadien Johnny said it all. The left is packed with cowards; many have never witnessed first-hand, a battle. The US and Israel have bigger fish to fry. To hell with the left.
44  |   Shava Nerad, Somerville, MA, USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
I don't support Hammas. I think they are bullies and fools. I hope for a nonviolent solution to emerge -- it did in South Africa. Things are better in Ireland. But until Israelis and their friends, and the Palestinians and their friends, manage to find some critical mass of people willing to take a nonviolent stand and make it stick within their societies, everyone will remain desperate, and hate will continue. So long as Israel's government invites the mapping of being anti-Israel to being anti-semitic, they will hurt Jews and give greater rise to anti-semitism throughout the world.
45  |   David Fanofdershowitz, Las Vegas, Friday Jan 23, 2009
I am an American Jew and I am always in agreement with Dershowitz. To answer why are Jews universally hated and I think it's very simple: 1. Many Christians still believe Jews killed Jesus; 2. Jews are small in number compared to Muslims and Christians which means non-Jews influence their governments around the world much more than Jews; 3. The poorly run, non-Jewish Middle Eastern countries successfully use Israel as a scapegoat to help deflect their populations' anger toward their pathetic governments; 4. Many around the world still believe that Jews are very wealthy. Keep writing Mr. D
46  |   Jesse, USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Or course, Israel ISN'T the only country to be accused of war crimes, nor would it be the only country whose officials have been indicted for war crimes. Germany, Japan, Italy, Bosnia, Croatia, Romania and dozens of other countries have, at various points in history, been accused of/charged with war crimes. I'm afraid the once-respectable Alan Dershowitz has lost what little remains of his mind.
47  |   ordinary man, and father!, Friday Jan 23, 2009
so your defence is built around "others in history have done dirty filthy massacres against the defenceless and innocent, so it's o.k. for gods chosen to do it"? good luck with the "good german" defence, but it is now time for israel to be dismantled and disarmed and distrusted and despised! you are a pariah nation, and your enablers in other lands should be tried and jailed as well. shame and disgrace upon you all, and i curse your "israeli attack force" and your politicians and your mossad and your rabbi, filthy shame upon you all and your orwellian newspeak.
48  |   David M USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
The news media only quotes anti-Israel propagandists when they talk about war crimes. On January 22, 2009 CBS News did a piece without even interviewing Israelis. They interviewed three anti-Israel activists without identifying them as such. The white phosphorus charge is a big lie and it is directed by hate mongers.
49  |   Cyric Renner, Stuggart Germany, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Dershowitz is a totally discredited source of credible information where Israel's actions are concerned, in that he defends her no matter what actions she takes. If Israel had unleashed a nuclear strike on the west bank or gaza then Dershowitz would have found someway to justify it. Dershowitz's rabid fanatical nationalism does Israel no favours internationally. His words may serve to passify your conscious, but they only serve to reinforce the image of Israel as a Pariah state to outside oberservers. In the end they do Israel a diservice.
50  |   Dan - USA, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Three times a day, observant Jews recite Alenu: "(Hashem) has not made us like the nations of the lands and has not emplaced us like the families of the earth; for he has not assigned our portion like theirs nor our lot like all their multitudes". We'll always be judged separately and against different criteria, because we are indeed "A light among nations", a people who are held to a higher standard. Even though it's hard to take, it's actually a compliment on our unique status. And it should keep us on our toes, reminding us of our responsibility to try to behave better than our enemies.
51  |   Jose Olazabal Madrid, Espana, Friday Jan 23, 2009
Dershowitz's Russia/Checnya comparison is somewhat flawed. What he doesn't tell you is that Checnya is part of the Russian Federation. Gaza and the West Bank are not part of Israel (Not yet anyways, although annexation is well underway) The difference in the former is that it was the result of an internal civil rebellion just like the American war of independence, whereas the latter has to be considered a war of aggression. This is an important distinction.
52  |   Yacov Yosifovitch, nyc: On: The jealousy&Curse of the "OIC", Friday Jan 23, 2009
Remember the pre-911, anti-Semitic United Nations conference held in 2001 in Durban, South Africa with aim to fight RACISM, but instead on vilifyed Israel? Well getready for Part2 via "Durban Review Conference," scheduled for April 09 in Geneva?? Interesting: Pakistan (A Islamic Nation living on land "STOLEN" From INDIA , not American Indians) willbe the mouthpiece for the Organization Islamic Conference. the SAUDi-headquartered 57member-state that lcontrols? the U.N. General Assembly? which O.K'd or K.O? this Anti-Israel meet & Bash.Hence the Source body of All that trouble!
53  |   Jhon,USA/Cleveland, Friday Jan 23, 2009
this is the same lawyer who defended OJ simpson the killer trying unsuccessfuly to make the case for Israel .terrible . i give him a C minus just like his scores in high school ... American when they carpet bomb afganistan ,did not claim awnership of the land ,nor the sovregnity of the nation ,or the identity of its population ...they were after the 9/11 criminals (the Taliban ),they did not drop phosphoros bombs nor wiped out entire families .. same applies for russia in Chechnia ..there is cases of war crimes in both example . i.srael's case of war crimes is 60 years old ,live on TV