Thursday Oct 08, 2009

Double Standard Watch: The hypocrisy of 'universal jurisdiction'

Posted by Alan M. Dershowitz
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Last week, an attempt was made to get an arrest warrant issued for Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak - the former dovish prime minister who offered the Palestinians a state on all of the Gaza Strip, 95% of the West Bank and a capital in East Jerusalem - when he set foot in Great Britain. (The attempt failed on grounds of diplomatic immunity because he was an official visitor.) And now Moshe Ya'alon, an Israeli government minister and former Army chief of staff, was forced to cancel a trip he was scheduled to make in London on behalf of a charity, for fear that he, too, could face an arrest warrant. 

The charges against these two distinguished public officials is that they committed war crimes against Palestinian terrorists and civilians. Ya'alon was accused in connection with the 2002 targeted killing of Salah Shehadeh, a notorious terrorist who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israeli civilians and was planning the murders of hundreds of more. As a result of faulty intelligence the rocket that killed Shehadeh also killed several civilians who were nearby, including members of his own family. Barak is being accused of war crimes in connection with  Israel's  recent military effort to stop rockets from being fired at its civilians from the Gaza Strip. 

The British government and British prosecutors have not supported the calls for the arrest of Barak and Yaalon. Those demanding the arrest of these Israelis are hard-left political activists seeking to invoke so-called "universal jurisdiction" against those they consider guilty of war crimes and genocide. They have absolutely zero interest in human rights, the laws of war, or in preventing genocide. Indeed, many of them supported the Cambodian genocide and have refused to condemn the Rwanda and Darfur genocides. They would never dream of demanding the arrest of Hamas murderers who target Israeli schoolchildren for suicide bombings or rocket attacks. They are willfully misusing these concepts - human rights, universal jurisdiction - to serve their anti-Israel and anti-Western ideology. What they are doing undercuts the neutrality and value of these protections.

If they were at all interested in human rights they would be going after the worst first - those who murder innocent civilians as part of a campaign of ethnic cleansing or genocide. But they are interested in Israel and Israel alone. That's why they demand boycotts and divestment only from the Jewish state and not from real human rights violators. Indeed, most of them would fervently reject to sanctions against Iran, North Korea, Libya, Venezuela, China, Zimbabwe, Syria or Saudi Arabia. 

It is disgraceful that Israeli leaders cannot walk the streets of London safely, while Hamas and Hizbullah leaders are honored and celebrated. The time has come for Israel to confront this issue directly and to take legal action to prevent radical Israel-haters from misusing decent laws to achieve indecent results. Just imagine what a trial would look like, if it were conducted fairly and objectively. The Israelis would be able to prove that their campaign of targeted assassinations of terrorists has worked effectively to reduce terrorism against Israeli citizens and others.

Israel has inadvertently killed some civilians, but the ratio of deaths has been reduced to 1 civilian for every 28 terrorists. This is the best ratio achieved by any country in the world that is fighting asymmetrical warfare against terrorists who hide behind civilians. It is far better than the ratio achieved by Great Britain and the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan, where both nations employ targeted killings of terrorist leaders. Recall that it was Great Britain that implemented a policy during WWII of targeting civilians in cities such as Dresden and that it was the United States that implemented the same policy in its firebombing of Tokyo. Indeed, it is fair to say that no country in modern history has ever been more protective of enemy civilians than Israel has been during its 75 year fight against terrorism.

As Richard Kemp put it during the Gaza War:

[F]rom my knowledge of the IDF and from the extent to which I have been following the current operation, I don't think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza.

Hamas, the enemy they have been fighting, has been trained extensively by Iran and by Hizbullah, to fight among the people, to use the civilian population in Gaza as a human shield... Hamas factor in the uses of the population as a major part of their defensive plan. So even though as I say, Israel, the IDF, has taken enormous steps... to reduce civilian casualties, it is impossible, it is impossible to stop that happening when the enemy has been using civilians as human shields."

Recall that before Israel went into the Gaza Strip, nearly 10,000 rockets had been fired at its civilians from behind human shields. No nation is obliged, under international law, to accept the risks of catastrophic outcomes from these anti-personnel rockets. 

So let there be a legal proceeding - a fair one in an objective forum - in which Israel's policies are tested against those of other countries. The result would be that Ehud Barak and Moshe Ya'alon could hold their heads up high and walk through the streets of any western city in the full knowledge that what they have done meets and indeed exceeds every standard of international law applicable to their conduct.

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1  |   Joseph London, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Thank you Prof. Dershowitz for saying so clearly and to the point what most of us know. Ehud Barak did more for creating a Pal state than any other Israeli prime miister -- and all he got in return was another intifada !
2  |   David Driver, London, UK, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Well said, Sir. The issue you don't confront is where a fair hearing could be set up without the "defendant" submitting to a long time - several years, probably - of custody while the prosecution case was assembled.
3  |   Cecil Cyprus, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Top marks for Prof. Dershowitz. How about creating a company of lawyers explicitly to sue those inciters of anti-semitism and start issuing arrest warrants with the same ease that anti Israelis are advocating. I would also include certain editors and producers of the media. I would contribute to a fund crreated to finance such an enterprise.
4  |   Fred - South Africa, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
As a student of International Law I am also concerned about the current trend to blame Israel for all the misfortunes of the Palestinian people. Even my lecturers seem to be oblivious to the fact that the Palestinians are the ones using their fellow countrymen as human shields. It seems indeed that the support Israel always enjoyed in the West is beginning to erode for some reason I cannot really explain. Israel is always mentioned in the same breath as "Apartheid" which, to me, seems ridiculous but to most of my classmates it's very reasonable to do so. What Israel needs is a PR campaign.
5  |   Matthew, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Unfortunately, Alan ignores the elephant in the room. Such cognitive dissonance is enabled by Obama's fawning over those who condemn any attempt by Israel to defend herself. When Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner says re: the Goldstone Report that the U.S. intends "to engage in discussion of this report," and takes Goldstone's allegations against Israel "seriously," he lends credence to the blood libel contained in the report and empowers the human rights abusers that populate the U.N. Council on Human Rights. These are the very regimes and despots that Obama has been courting.
6  |   Matthew, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Continued -- The Obama Administration has singled out Israel and the so-called settlements as obstacles to peace, ignoring that Arab rejectionism preceded the partition vote and the existence of any settlements. Obama's Cairo speech spouted historical revisionism worthy of Chomsky, ignoring the historical connection of Jews to their homeland and stating inter alia that Israel was created by Europeans to atone for their role in the Holocaust; and his recent U.N. address built on that shaky foundation. Both exercises were the height of intellectual dishonesty.
7  |   Matthew, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Continued -- One must question at what point the good Professor, sincere advocate for Israel though he may be, will finally acknowledge that this administration is bad for Israel, is weakening America’s image overseas, and is promoting the unhistorical Arab narrative. It’s high time for him to call out Mr. Obama in Double Standard Watch, and unequivocally recognize that many of the so-called peace advocates who continually slam Israel are nothing but Useful Idiots of Islamo-fascism and left-wing antisemitism. His silence so far is deafening.
8  |   benyitzchak, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Muslim terrorists have erased the line between civilian and combatant. The whole of western civilization is yet to find a solution, and they and their enablers have erased the validity of national borders, as many muslim nations allow the free movement of these murderers across their borders, and then expect the victim nation to respect those same borders. Once again there is no solution in the ununified west. We are fighting world war three, but the rules of war have changed.
9  |   Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Dear Mr. Dershowitz : Another great column , as usual. However, and I am sorry to say this, you are also a hypocrite : You rail ( correctly) against policies that Obama supports , but - for some reason ( perhaps, social/academic/economic expediency) - you refuse to mention that Obama champions the policies you find immoral. This self-imposed code of silence is wrong and dangerous - you need to find your courage.
10  |   Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Reply to Matthew (Comments 5-6) : Spot on !
11  |   Maya, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
I would like to ask Prof. Dershowitz's opinion on the ICC's prosecutor looking into prosecuting Israelis even though Israel is not a signatory to the ICC nor is 'Palestine' a state. This seems like a more ominous development that will be used against Israelis without proper legal foundations (and one day it will be used against Americans too). A beast has been unleashed.
12  |   Bruce USA, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Alan's comments are very true. I believe the anti semetic/ anti Israel world view is stronger than ever. Witness the Goldstone report and the likes of Derfner who somehow switch identities of terrorists with victims. Obama's moral equivocation of the self inflicted Palestinian plight with the systematic murder of six million Jews is another example of this. How to stem this tide? Vigilance and patience combined with a strong defense while strengthening the ability to educate those that are ignorant of the truth.
13  |   Court, Dave No Longer United Kingdom, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Wonder if Prof. Alan M. Dershowitz comments & staements are to be read in the Guardian, independant &/or haeretz??
14  |   Maya, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
I would like to ask Prof. Dershowitz's opinion on the ICC's prosecutor looking into prosecuting Israelis even though Israel is not a signatory to the ICC nor is 'Palestine' a state. This seems like a more ominous development that will be used against Israelis without proper legal foundations (and one day it will be used against Americans too). A beast has been unleashed.
15  |   dennis snapper netanya, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
No one would have to die if these islamic scumbags were wiped out completely. Op. cast lead didn t quite finish the job. Sooner or later Israel will be forced to finally exterminate that whole rotten den of rats, The sooner the better, DEATH TO ISLAM/
16  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
The problem is not with the anti Semites who press charges against distinguished Israeli leaders, but with the existence of such laws in the UK, Spain, Belgium and elsewhere. The international legislation in this area may be severely outdated with its roots in wars like WW2. There is a new kind of war now, fought against organizations like Al Quada or Hamas, with a global violent agenda. The ability of the West to effectively defend itself is, therefore, severely compromised by such outdated legislation, that is too slow to keep up with the rapid global changes of the 21st century.
17  |   Sam, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Alan, the professor of "How to Kill Children and Elderly" speaks out. We should make citizen arrest of Aln and take him to the Hauge.
18  |   flower, LA, USA, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Judicial terror is just as good as the other terror as long as you kill innocents.What all this does is convince us that the PA Arabs are not interested in peace but in spilling Jewish blood whichever way they can.
19  |   William M Ennis, Friday Oct 09, 2009
I'm going to keep saying it , until you all understand. Both Hamas and Hezbollah were formed during Israel's illegal occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and South Lebanon. By any definition, they are not terrorists, but resistance fighters. Israel is a police state, corrupt and only surviving by foreign aid, mostly American. Diplomatic immunity is not a defence against war crimes. Just ask Pinochet. Your time is ending, because you are ruled by a fundamentalist right wing racist mafia. Do you think the world hasn't noticed? Mr Dershowitz defends Israel no matter what. Disgusting.
20  |   William M Ennis, Friday Oct 09, 2009
And while we are on the subject. Mr Dershowitz, can you tell me how Hamas can not fight among the civillian population when it is in the most densely populated place on earth? Can you tell me where the civillians can run to when IAF bombs level their homes? Gaza has repeatedly been described as the world's largest open air prison. And while Hamas constantly offers peace based on the 1967 borders, Israel is the one that constantly rejects it, preferring slow genocide to peace. This is the reality: Israel is a terrorist state, just like America.
21  |   George, Central FL, USA, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Prof. D. - Your professorial weight MUST be thrown toward teaching America's Left the Truth about Israel; a Truth that is hidden or twisted by the Leftist Media, Leftist University System, and hyper-Leftist Government. This Troika (Media, Universities, and Govt.) MUST be confronted. Who then, to directly address them, if not you? Most American Jews stand silent on this topic or they scold Israel. Do they think they will be spared? Jewish media moguls, entertainment titans, govt. chieftains and others seem to hide among the hard Left, leaving Israel to slowly roast alone. Foolish of them.
22  |   Martina Canada, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Mr. Dershowitz , you are clever one. "They would never dream of demanding the arrest of Hamas murderers who target Israeli schoolchildren for suicide bombings or rocket attacks." Combining suicide bombers with Israeli school children. That is truly machiavellian, because rockets just don't kill enough "innocent" civilians to justify flattening large parts of a defenseless prison called Gaza. Yes Israel is a 'victim' because they are forced to fight a 'defensive' war against metal tubes and the odd mortar. I know Israel is vulnerable with f-16s, tanks, 200+ nuclear missiles etc. Pity Israel.
23  |   DavidM, Friday Oct 09, 2009
There should be a grievance filed with the Bar against the lawyers who filed the fraudulent lawsuits against Israeli officials. It is a violation of the code of ethics for a lawyer to file a lawsuit for the sole purpose of harassing someone. The British lawyers who filed these bogus lawsuits should be brought up on ethics charges and made to forfeit their law licenses. Defense Minister Barak, as the prevailing party in this litigation, also has the right to seek compensation for his legal fees from the losing party. He should make these losers pay for what they did. They lost and lost big.
24  |   daniel gavron, motza elite, israel, Friday Oct 09, 2009
One civilian for 28 terrorists? Where on earth does this mythical figure come from? Why not say one civilian for 280 terrorists, or one for 2,800 terrorists or one for 2.8 million terrorists? All the above are equally true. As an Israeli I'm ashamed that this man is "defending" us, along with Von-Bulow and O.J.
25  |   DrPhil, Friday Oct 09, 2009
replace the word Barak with Demjanjuk and you will begin to see what a hypocrite Dershowitz is. Warcrimes are warcrimes and should be punished.
26  |   baet martin buenas aires, Friday Oct 09, 2009
It seems there must be some universal guidelines to prevent these frivolous charges that have taken place in England Belgium Spain etc..The local governments have to step in .in the meantime to contrl these rogue lawyers and disbar them. if necessary The absuridity of wasting time and the courts.. Walk tall Israeli policians and officiial and you will be protected .....yes!!!!
27  |   Sid of Davis, CA., Friday Oct 09, 2009
I thought I could make my point by copying a picture of a map showing Israel surrounded by the entire Arab World. This box will not take the picture copy. Israel is but a speck, in fact to even find that country there is a line drawn from where the country is to a drawing of the Israeli Flag. I will gladly email a copy to anyone who would like to see what the speck and the flag are up against. It is the story of David and many Goliaths this time again. Intelligence and people with open minds know the contributions to the world that that nation has made to humankind. They are our allies
28  |   cares1996, Friday Oct 09, 2009
It appears that oppenents of peace and democracy have infiltrated the various different governments of free world,let it be known and addressed before disaster strikes,i don`t think time is on free side at this point,people if ya stand back and just for a minute look what from hell has happened,allies are in fighting,murderers are trying to idict the noble,war is being politicized by lawyers,come on,this is what gives lawyers a bad name.Ask yourselves to whom is this benefitting its clear,get the ducks in order and move it,before they move it for ya(were allies aren`t we)show it
29  |   Rachel Farkas (New Zealand), Friday Oct 09, 2009
Last year in my International Law class the lecturer noted on several occasions how Ya'alon had an arrest warrant in New Zealand (my place of residence). I never knew how to argue my case before the class. I am now disaapointed that I won't have the chance to stand up to my lecturer to discuss the issue. Lesson learnt! thanks Mr. D!
30  |   Jo Ellen Davey Cohen Chicago, Illinois, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Justice is fleeting for the State of Israel and the Israeli population. With the advent of the United Arab League of Nations, and the Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize Committee, Human Rights and Universal Jurisdiction will be subject to interpretation of Sharia Law. Israel, however, will continue to maintain the ethical high ground that requires no apology for survival. Thank you, Professor Dershowitz, for your steadfast defense of Israel, and for your courageous actions in the face of unparalleled adversity.
31  |   TrailBlazer, Norway, Friday Oct 09, 2009
#3 - perfect ! that is certainly a means to the end - going after the inciters AND engaging the grasroots movements which is existent in each and every of the European countries to targeting such editors and leftist politicians with mailing and other relevant campaigns; Larry Derfner and people like him should be targeted as well - people who out of the "best of will" equate the reactions of Israel with the terrorist actions. Derfner denotes terrorists acts as their rightful objections to occupation. He actually thinks that the Gaza blockade was the thrigger of war. What does Alan think ?
32  |   david king, Friday Oct 09, 2009
"The British government and British prosecutors have not supported the calls for the arrest of Barak and Yaalon. Those demanding the arrest of these Israelis are hard-left political activists." So why are we even talking about this ? A few guys are saying -Hey, Man we should totally, arrest this dude ! You know what I mean ? Like, you know, this would be cool, right ? Awesome , dude !" Also Israeli activist should play the same game and demand arrest of British officials for what they are doing in Norther Ireland a land they occupied for 600 years now. And what are British soldiers doing in Iraq and Afghanistan ? .
33  |   Fro, Friday Oct 09, 2009
To the common people like me, not at all well learned in politics, Obama is very apparent in his bias. He continues to woo the Palestinians and leaders whose leaning is sympathetic to if not outright in their terrorism and violation against human rights. Obama, from the outset, has vowed that he would bring change. But it seems that the change he wants to bring is the kind of change that gives credibility and a wide acceptance to terrorism, human-right violations and a world of questionable universal morality. It's an oppression to the already oppressed
34  |   Jeffrey Toronto, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
I have read so many arguments regarding Israel invasion of Gaza to try and stop the rocket fire into its territory. As yet no one has given advice on what Israel should have done to stop the rocket fire at innocent civilians. Please someone advise Israel
35  |   nelson garnick USA, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
It seems to me that the Jew haters are beyond words and legitimate discourse; Israel should institue a powerful P.R. campaign directed at those countries that allow their laws to be perverted and those countries that just permit this outrageous perversion of the truth. Beyond that, I say the HELL with them, and thank G-d for Israel's Atomic capability. The fanatic Arabs are not stupid they know full well that if push came to shove their entire Mid East would be gone and uninhabitable.Knowing this their only stratagy can be to constantly stir up trouble i.e. propaganda, infitada, and terrorism
36  |   oren israel, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
just a few months ago the Sri Lanka Army was fighting against the tamil tigers who use the same techniques of the Hamas- using the population as human shield- the result was 20,000 people killed and tens of thousands injured..... can you understand how moral and sophisticated our army is? the israeli army killed 1300 people most of them terrorists again...again...let me explain again... can you understand people the different between 1300 to 20,000....its about 6%.... isn'rt it about time the rest of the armies in the world will improve their level to the israeli army?
37  |   jacob, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
I am an iranian jew who has watched Islam very closely since iranian 1979 revolution. As golda Meir said, there will be no peace until arabs start loving their children more than they hate the jews. Iranian government has executed over 300,000 innocent muslim iranians in the last 30 year, with trials that last 5 minutes each,and no defense lawyers allowed. Arabs kill their own daughters because they dont have proper hejaab. The number of muslims killed by muslims unjustly is thousand time more than muslims killed by the moral israeli army in self defense. So who should really be on trial?
38  |   H Norton New Zealand, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
Alan M. Dershowitz cannot have read the report to the UN by Justice Richard Goldstone. I have. Why do all the apologists for Israel attack the messenger instead of the message? Israel could easily refute Goldstone’s report, by letting in International observers – instead, it appears to have confined the Palestinians into Ghetto’s – isolated them from any necessary reconstruction assistance. Israel is acting like another failed state, with nuclear weapons. We are not as worried by what Iran may do tomorrow, while you acting out like this, today.
39  |   h norton New Zealand, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
You are not going to print anything but pro Israeli positioned comment - as if that was the only commentary there was. Israeli citizens, more than most, live in a dream world. Yo cannot justify what youor government is doing in your name - you will not entertain any any discussion where you do not control the agenda. Historically, Biblicaly, militarilary, and economically Israel should be making accomodations with its neighbours, not enemies - fail here, and Israel becomes another bump in the sand of history. i have just finished readng the bloggs you do publish - you are part of the problem.
40  |   h norton New Zealand, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
You are not going to print anything but pro Israeli positioned comment - as if that was the only commentary there was. Israeli citizens, more than most, live in a dream world. Yo cannot justify what youor government is doing in your name - you will not entertain any any discussion where you do not control the agenda. Historically, Biblicaly, militarilary, and economically Israel should be making accomodations with its neighbours, not enemies - fail here, and Israel becomes another bump in the sand of history. i have just finished readng the bloggs you do publish - you are part of the problem.
41  |   raffy1956, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
the sycophant dershowitz must be elated that his idol obama just won the nobel prize,perhaps he can now lobby obama to pardon that other prize example of a killer of a jew the one and only o j simpson
42  |   Charlie H. Ettinson, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
I can't tell if the Prof. here is truly calling for Israeli leaders to be put on trial just so they can be exonerated. These attempts to arrest Israeli officials are PR moves and part of a continued campaign of assymetrical warfare by exploiting Western Legal systems, sometimes called lawfare. The problem is not universal jurisdiction which is meant to punish the worst criminals on the planet, it's the use of universal jurisdiction as a weapon where it ought to be a source of justice. The Prof's suggestion is the best defense, but is a defeat in itself. Lawfare itself is the crime.
43  |   Chris USA, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
By saying, "Those demanding the arrest of these Israelis are hard-left political activists seeking to invoke so-called 'universal jurisdiction' against those they consider guilty of war crimes and genocide." you give them too much honor. These profligates are merely opportunists seeking those they beleive vulnerable to their prefabricated accusations, mocking justice and the Lord who guarantees it. They are storing up wrath for the days to come when all flesh shall be judged.
44  |   Speakout, Norway, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
To #34 - Norton - what a refinement of argument you bring forth, misjudging the Goldstone report for a treatment of disease; In doing so you simply "out-circle" the whole historical patch quilt. Take example from your private laundry centrifuge: the more and hastier your argument goes - the further from the basis you tend to get. Pls. start with the beginning of conflict - as you appear to be interested in historical facts. Good to know as well that you and your likes are part of the grand solution - which is to keep people without outfit and weapons away from battlefield..
45  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
#13, if you just bother to check the facts you will find out that Israel is the only country in an area spanning the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean that lives under the rule of law. The rest, especially Hamas and Hizbullah are dark groups of thugs that are based on promoting Islam by the most violent means to all "infidels" in the West, like in 9/11. So if there is any "right wing fundamentalist Mafia" it is exactly on the side of the appalling groups that you defend. But facts do not seem to concern you. It is regretful for me to see that venomous anti Semitism like yours still exists.
46  |   Reueven, USA, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
Perhaps Israel should start arresting non-Jewish British citizens as war criminals for no good reason.
47  |   Katherine, Black Mountain, NC, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to bless you, Professor Dershowitz. He has given you the position and intellect to speak the truth.
48  |   David USA, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
"...I don't think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza." Hm - I don't think I have ever seen such Orwellian doublespeak since reading 1984 ! "Never in the history of warfare" no less ! Well, well, 1400 dead including hundreds and children and women, within a mere couple of weeks (not to forget the 1000s of dangerous chickens ! ) - is not a mean feat in the history of warfare, indeed !!
49  |   Anna , Arizona, Saturday Oct 10, 2009
It is useless to ask Europeans to be fair to Israel. Their genetic code is full of hate to Jews. Historically , they love to see Jews weak or better dead. Don"t forget , that during WW II most of the Europe collaborated with fascist regime and actively robbed and killed Jews. The excuse was that the Europe was occupied by Germans and dead Jews were just a collateral damage. Nowadays , the existences of Israel is bothering Europeans more then their own coming demograhic catastroph when growing Arab population in Europe will prevail. The only chance to survive is to be proarab.
50  |   J. Bloomberg Perth, Australia, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
Dershowitz is a poster boy for the failed American legal system. For Dershowitz truth is meaniningless, spinning nonsense is what Dershowitz considers his gift in life. Facts do not get in his way anymore than Caroline Glick. They champion their cause of being God's chosen people and the rest of the world is inferior. How strong can a mythology be that is totally built on lies?
51  |   Lindy L Robertson Jr, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
Professor, being a right-wing conservative I find myself seldom agreeing with you. However, when it comes to Israel, I am almost always in agreement. It is unfortunate that we can't agree likewise on other issues. I don't blame you anymore than me; but how is it that we can be so far apart on most things, yet so alike when it comes to Jews and Israel?
52  |   Observer in America, Alexandria, USA, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
Alas, the western allies started this kind of nonsense at Nuremburg, although there at least the premise was that the Nazis were being prosecuted for violating their own law. Claiming jurisdiction over the nationals of another state is a hostile act, one that merits a response in kind. Yet, at the end of the day, the truth is this; there is no "international law", but only the law of nations. There are no universal human rights that are recognizable or enforceable except in accordance with the law of the nation having jurisdiction over that person. A little retaliation is called for.
53  |   Bloefeld Canada, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
The level of cognitive dissonance the left is generally capable is amazing. While they claim the intellectual high-road (with zero evidence to support such claims) they are often "Bullet Proof" to reason of any sort. This allows them to ignore economic reality when making social demands. This makes them highly judgmental to boot. It is impossible to understand how the killing of Israeli citizens at random is morally acceptable, but the killing of Palestinians is not. At worse, ignoring international law and the efforts that Israel makes to avoid killing civilians, they are morally equal
54  |   Bloefeld Canada, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
I have often wondered how much better the outcome would be long-term for Israel if they simply changed tactics completely. Announce that for every Israeli killed that 1,000 Palestinians would be targeted. Obviously this is an inhuman approach. It is genocide. But given the genocide in Rwanda (Clinton didn't know it was happening!!!!!!!!!) and other places, and the lack of concern by the UN, perhaps the outcome of such a policy would force its enemies to the bargaining table. Perhaps they would come in good faith to boot. Peace in our times, and a productive Palestine, hard to imagine.
55  |   Johnson USA, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
The farcical use of "law" to pursue objectives can also be used by Israel, which can dsignate certain anti-Semitic activies as "crimes," and then issue arrest warrants for the perpetrators. Designate some of those folks calling for the destruction of Israel or providing financial or other support for terrorist activities as criminals, and demand their arrest. It's a ridiculous game, but England, Canada, the Netherlands, and Spain, have taken it to ridiculous extremes and do not address the real malefactors in this world.
56  |   alfred hussein neuman, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
anyone who thinks Obama "cares" about fairness in the Middle East is either mistaken or naive. He is 3/8's Arab by blood, and he is an extreme leftist. He is against Israel, just as is Hillary and the others members of his staff. Why 90% of the USA Jews vote locked-step democrat with their anti-Israel bias is beyond me.
57  |   Daniel - UK, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
"Israel has inadvertently killed some civilians, but the ratio of deaths has been reduced to 1 civilian for every 28 terrorists." From Israeli Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: Palestinians taking part in hostilities killed by Israeli security forces - 2116 Palestinians not taking part in hostilities killed by Israeli security forces - 2965 Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces and it is not known if they were taking part in hostilities - 1166 Where is Dershowitz getting this 1/28 ratio from? Even Israeli sources ridicule such a figure.
58  |   Independent Observer, Paris, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
Alan is brilliant and heroic, but also naive. The movements to assert universal jurisdiction have nothing to do with logic and principle, and everything to do with the Arab and European cultural disease - the desire to eliminate Jewish identity and the Jewish state. This will never change. The sooner the Jews and Israel recognise the genocidally anti-Semitic, emotional basis of these prosecutions, the better.
59  |   Independent Observer, Paris, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
It is the emotional commitment to eliminating Jews and Judaism that is the reason for the strange alliance of the Euroleft and Islamofascism, well-documented recently in excellent books by Jamie Glazov ("United in Hate") and Robin Shepherd ("A State Beyond the Pale: Europe’s Problem with Israel").
60  |   Ronald stanfield USA, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
Well said Alan, the double standard comes from the far left wing, These same people turn a blind eye to Castro, Chaves, Hamas, Iran If they want to prosecute Those in Isreal . let them go after those I mentioned. But of course with Obama in the white house and holder they also want to Go after Bush for keeping America safe , At least Bush is in good company.
61  |   Richard Pearce, Calgary Alberta, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
#23, Rachel Be glad you didn't try and advance the sort of line of argument Dir used in this article with your lecturer. He would probably start by pointing out that going after someone with power and connections, and bringing them to justice sends a powerful message to those without the power and connections, whereas going after those less powerful people sends no message at all the the powerful. He might then point out that Hamas members already face arrest, (indeed, a number of them have been arrested by Israel), so having IDF members face arrest too is hardly discriminatory. He might even assign you some exra homework (writing an essay on the Geneva Conventions, or the UN charter, pointing out how Israel violate them).
62  |   Carlos, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
There is not hypocricy, the reality is that those that commit war crimes must be chased and put behind bars. It doesn't matter where they are, or what justification they have for the horrendous crimes like the massacres of Palestinians in refugee camps where an army with tanks and planes attacks women and children killing them with no compassion. This is the favourite target of the IDF. SHame on them
63  |   Neil McNab, London, Sunday Oct 11, 2009
As a Briton, I for one am glad that I don't have the blood-soaked progenitors of civilian massacres stinking up my streets. That means Israeli warm-mongers AND Palestinian ones, by the way. Morality should make no distinction between state and non-state criminals.
64  |   Joshua Ng, Singapore, Tuesday Oct 13, 2009
Neil...Did you ever read the annals of the British Empire? Talk to the Scots, the Irish...Check out India and Afghanistan, and oh by the way I do believe a certain U.S. of A fought a bloody war against you too. In the process of fighting these wars there were no civilian massacres? We are not even looking at the wars this century. Blood-soaked progenitors of civ massacres indeed - you've got no right to be claiming the moral high ground on this one!
65  |   Lance, Ottawa, Canada, Tuesday Oct 13, 2009
Dershowitz is basically trying to whitewash the war crimes that Isrel has perpetrated against Palestinian civilians for decades. In regards to eght years of rocket atacks against Sderot, one must not forget the forty plus years of Israeli attcks against Palestinians by Israel (using the most sophisticated weapons of war possible including fighter aircraft such as F-15"s and F-16"s, Merkava tanks, Apache and cobra helicopter gunships, artillery, and so on. The only question I have is whether Dershowitz even wrote this article: [ Link to page ]
66  |   captain grumpy Millicent Australia, Wednesday Oct 14, 2009
I just think its funney how the whole LEFT say HAMAS and Hezbollah are freedom fighters. and they have only known what they read in leftist newspapers . Get a life and go to the place before you comment.Ive been there !!!!
67  |   natan, Saturday Oct 17, 2009
Against Barack Hussein Obama and one billion Muslims, Israel is stupidly loosing the global Ideology and Moral War ! The only moral Legitimacy which now could save Israel is the unquestionable pre-eminence of its founding Jerusalem Temple - endlessly fathering the twins “Human Rights” and “Human Duties” allowing Democracy to blossom and to survive -. Should Israel awake from its suicidal lobotomy, the Temple would be rebuilt on its authentic Site, which is downstream from the Haram, as authentified by Natan’s Study of the Temple Hydraulic System
68  |   samuel RSA, Sunday Oct 25, 2009
To Lance in Ottawa ,the League of Nations mandated ,in 1948 ,that two nations should live side by side in peace and prosperity ,would you like to finish this statement as it appears in the UN charter ?
69  |   samuel RSA, Sunday Oct 25, 2009
To Lance in Ottawa ,please stop with the Arab propaganda as it,s already old rheoric by now,however one question for you ,why did the late King Hussein of Jordan(Palestine) massacre 200000plus Arabs/Palestinian in 1970 ?Try and answer truthfully with the facts ,not propaganda?
70  |   Kevin Farrell, Decatur, Georgia USA, Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Mr Dershowitz has his facts wrong. Why is this for such an erudite person? The killing of Salah Shehadeh involved more than a "few civilians" To be specific Israel dropped a 2,000 pound bomb on an apartment complex in oine of the most densely populated areas in the world. Besides Shehadeh 17 others were killed. This included 15 civilians 11 of whom were children + 150 wounded. What faulty intelligenceis there that Israel did not know civilians were around? Mr. Dershowitz is not entitled to his own facts.
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Kevin Farrell, Decatur, Georgia USA: Mr Dershowitz has his facts wrong. Why is this for such an erudite person? The killing of Salah Shehadeh involved more than a "few civilians" To be specific Israel dropped a 2,000 pound bomb on an apartment complex in oine of the most densely populated areas in the world. Besides Shehadeh 17 others were killed. This included 15 civilians 11 of whom were children + 150 wounded. What faulty intelligenceis there that Israel did not know civilians were around? Mr. Dershowitz is not entitled to his own facts.
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