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Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Double Standard Watch: If Israel killed Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, did it have the right to? Posted by Alan M. Dershowitz
Comments: 152
I don't know whether Israel did or did not assassinate the leader of Hamas' military wing, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. But assuming for argument's sake that the Mossad made the hit, did it have the legal right to engage in this "extrajudicial assassination?" Traditional extradition treaties do not explicitly cover situations of this kind. This was not an ordinary murder. It was carried out as a matter of state policy as part of an ongoing war. A western democracy would certainly have the right and the power to refuse to extradite. But they might decide, for political or diplomatic reasons, to turn the person over to Dubai.
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Michael J of Australia,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Excellent article. The execution of al-Mabhouh appears to fit Richard Goldstone's proportional response suggestion but Goldstone may be found to be conveniently inconsistent on this issue.
If corrupt officials in Dubai attempted to use Interpol to arrest anti-terrorist forces, this may lead to the demise of Interpol as tax payers in countries against terrorism may feel that their anti-terrorist forces are stymied by this corruption.
The criminality of Dubai authorities in refusing to arrest known terrorists such as al-Mabhouh is the main issue and the law shouldaddress this crime
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susan bohbot,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
blog by Alan Dershowitz is a great service to the jewish people. It educates and empowers the average citizen, in the midst of abusive anti semetic and anti Israeli critics the world over. Helps us to answer those from within on the left who support Israel bashers. Alan Dershowitz as well as Caroline Glick are tremendous assets to thre Jewish people and the state of Israel.
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john norman london uk,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Not so many decades ago the British government sanctioned the assassination of IRA members in Gibraltar. Gibraltar was/is a self-governing territory. France sent a hit team to New Zealand and murdered members of the Rainbow Warrior's crew. A few years ago, it assaulted senior Pakistani naval officers in Pakistan itself because they had dared question the details of a corrupt deal between themselves and the French government. Members of a French engineering team were blown up in retaliation. Lest we start talking about morality.
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Chris USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Too much chewing the fat on this. Better if Israel justs captures the guy and he just disappears over the ocean somewhere. No mess or fuss to speak of. Just another missing "John Doe". Israel needs a penal colony for terrorists - maybe in the Anartica. May not be practical but I like the idea of taking pictures of inmates posing with penguins. Makes a good deterrent, "be a terrorist and have an all expenses paid vocation with the penguins."
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na,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Please address yourself to the defrauding of innocent Israeli's passport Identications and the ramifications.
That's what interests the country not an apology for one or two man clique whose motto is the end justifies the means, and the means are now splattered all over the populace.
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Gershon G,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
As usual, the Dersh - whom we refer to as a lawyer's lawyer in the biz, weighs in heavy (and absolutely correct) on this issue. However the more interesting question is what personality defect drives the shrieking liberal pundits - everyone of whom secretly applauds the courage of our agents in carrying out this mission to perfection and eliminating this evil terrorist - to whine and bleat about identity theft, and violating British passport laws and compromising our image in the eyes of the Europeans (G-d forbid, as if our image could be any lousier)?
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Moshe, Kfar Sava,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Excuse me, Mr. Dershowitz, but even if you came to the right conclusion, you're trying to apply concepts of civil law to warfare, where it does not belong. The answer to your question "Did Israel have the right to kill al-Mabhouh?" is very simple: Israel has the right to kill any enemy who commits acts of war against us. Period. Extradition and trial is too prissy and risks allowing terrorists to escape justice. Questions of "morality" have no place, either. Repeat: Israel has the right to kill any enemy who commits acts of war against us. Period.
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Dennis,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Pravda wrote a similar editorial on the Alexander Litvinenko Polonium 210 poisoning in London. What is most shocking is that Dr. Dershowitz didn't even consider that Mabhouh was found guilty yet never stood trial. Just 'execute' him where he stands. Even Adolf Eichmann received a trial. Apparently Dr. Dershowitz's believes "jurisprudence for thee but not for me".
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dennis snapper netanya,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
The only people who will miss this piece of human garbage, are other terrorists and his family. Whoever killed this rat should be given the nobel peace prize. All arab terrorists beware, this is what is in store for you too/
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Ivor UK,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Why don`t Israeli`s ever wonder why critics of Israeli actions or critics of Zionism actually occur.
Is it not absolute logic to ponder on why some animosity exists,instead of trotting out the robust claims of everyone being ant- semetic,which does not stand up to objective scrutiny.
I don`t dislike all those who practice the Jewish religion,but I do have the right to be critical of what Israel does, certainly equal to my strong feelings and expressed criticism towards the UK,America,China or wherever.
So is the problem in Israel that they have a massive chip on their shoulder?, YES
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daat y,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
To no.8-Mabhouh is an enemy combatant now.There is no legal reason for a trial.
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Howard f Schwartz Bowie Md.,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Newsflash the police do not have the right to shoot a fleeing felon. Dubai has the right to demand these murderers be turned over, and will soon exercise that right. I believe the penalty for murder is death? It will get interesting when the first of these 11 starts talking, and details the plot from plan to escape. That you can be sure will happen.
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Isaac, Haifa ISRAEL,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
"Even Adolf Eichmann received a trial"
Dear Dennis, Adolph Eichman was not a "ticking bomb" or didnt pose any threat when he was captured. Al Mabhuh was a ticking bomb. he was activly incharge of smugelling arms and funds for the terrorist orgnization "Hamas" that fires rockets at pupolated areas in southen israel.
I can't find any better reason not to assasinate him. we are in a war. this isn't about payment for past activities. its about stoping a threat.
Isaac, Haifa
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Eyal, Israel,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
To Dennis (8).
According to your reasoning, every time a soldier shoots an adversary without a trial first, he is committing an execution.
This was an act of war, and a very justified one. You can ask any kid in the towns of Shderot or Ashkelon in Israel.
(b.t.w. - The Hamas themselves admitted his "heroic" acts of murdering kidnapped soldiers.)
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Kurt, USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
A couple of points. If this murder was concerned about a trial he could have turned himself in. He wasn't concerned about killing innocent people and appears to have been activily involved in attempting to kill more innocent people. You make yourself a combatant, you are always a combatant until the war is over, you are caught, or killed. When they start worrying about their victim's civl rights I will worry about their civil rights. Some muslim countries have laws that it is OK to kill apostates-yet we don't extradite apostates back. Why would any country extradite these heros?
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charles a canada,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
It just never ends,when we try to retaliate against hamas the world becomes so agitated.Hamas could not care who they kill or maimed in their attack.Dr dershowitz is 100% correct.If he was caught and israel had a death penalty I would put the noose around this scumbag myself.
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Andrew S. - Cincinnati Ohio,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
A poster writes: What is most shocking is that Dr. Dershowitz didn't even consider that Mabhouh was found guilty yet never stood trial.
The poster apparently didn't read the article or he would have read the words "extrajudicial" , "combatant" , and "war" and possibly put those terms together. Trials of combatants are not required during war. Was the United States, during WW I,I required to hold a trial for every German or Japanese soldier before firing a bullet or bomb at them? No.
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Lurry, USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
This article is stupid, just like any that would try to justify murder. Using Douchewitz's logic, every suicide bombing committed committed by Hamas in the past was against a legitimate target (i.e., combatants) because military service in Israel is compulsory.
You bloodthirsty Zionists only have a few good years left, I suppose. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Jack Schwartz,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Dennis, The Hamas is at war with Israel by its own choice. Likewise, Dubai is in a state of war with Israel through its own choice [It is of course part of the United Arab Emirates which is a member of the Arab League]. Dubai agrees in priniciple and practice with the Arab League's war with Israel. Since Dubai is at war with Israel and Mabhouh was a dangerous enemy operative, then Israel was perfectly justified within the laws of war to kill him there. Moreover, as Dershowitz recognizes, it would be silly to believe that Mabhouh would be extradited by any Arab state or even an EU member state.
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Roddy Frankel,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Likewise, when the Obama White House executes Taliban leaders in the field using extra-judicial drones in a foreign country (Afganistan), Obama is also violating Afgani law. That would be the single standard analysis. Don't you agree, Professor Dershowitz?
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j david,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
I believe that Israel must conduct military criminal trial in absentia against all known terrorists that it attempts to pursue in the future. Because those terrorists are enemy combatants they are subject to execution as a substitute to being killed during active terrorism.
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Raed Kami, London, UK,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
The zionist entity was created as a result of the ethnic cleanisg of the Palestinian people. Therefore the zionist entity is itself a war crime and war crimes do not have a legitimate right to perpetuate themselves. That is why the zionist entity has no legitimate right of self defence. For the first time, the Goldstone report, authored by a Jew, recognizes that the zionist entity, being a war crime, does not have a right to self defence. The murder of Mabhouh by the mossad is another war crime, and Mabhouh, whatever deeds have been ascribed to him, was a man of peace
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SM,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
So, based on your logic, If venezuela ordered the assassination of Luis Posada Carriles, the terrorist who blew up a cuban jet in 1976 killing 76 civilians, that would be OK right? After all, the Veneuzelan government requested the extradition of this murderer from the US but nothing happened.
And how interesting - you criticize the Goldstone report to the point of claiming the respected Jurist is a traitor of Israel (!), and yet you use the same report as the basis to justify on moral grounds the assassination of Mabhouh.
Every time you open your mouth you damage Israel.
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philip - van nuys calif,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Does anybody know why there were so many members in the team?
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Keith, California, USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Professor Dershowitz is a champion for Israel and its right to exist. His clearly articulated case helps to elucidate some of the issues present in Israel's difficult battle against terrorism. The same people (Goldstone Report groupies) who complained when Israel defended itself in Operation Cast Lead no doubt are the same people who are complaining here about the taking down of a terrorist leader. Does Israel have no right to defend itself? According to these individuals, the answer is no. Thank you, Alan Dershowitz.
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Insan Mukmin,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Might is right. He who has nukes can do as he pleases.
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Zak Planet Earth,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Dennis, Mahbouh lives in Syria. How was Israel supposed to arrest him? Also, Litvenenko wasn't in the business of murdering innocent Russians. Lousy comparison.
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arabist,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
It's astonishing to see a lawyer like Dershowitz try to say a murder was legal. Obviously, in Dubai, it was illegal — no matter what it might have been from Israel's perspective. Perhaps if conducted in Israel itself it would have been legal or at least justified; but the Dubai authorities have made it pretty clear they consider this a crime. I think any country, including the US, would have also considered it a crime.
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Honest American,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Israel will be the 21st century South Africa, and this is the bigining of the end to the Jewish state.
unless they adress the real problem and recognise the right to the palestenians to establish their state.
the whole world denounced the action of sagrigations which the IDF are carring against the palestenians in the occupied West Bank, and the fight will continue untill the end of occupation.
No one can convince me the George Washington wa a terrorist because he fought the British to gain independance.
very soon Mr. Natanyahou will be wanted by the interpol.
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Walter USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Mr Dershowitz, you say "Not all extrajudicial killings are unlawful. Every soldier who kills an enemy combatant engages in an extrajudicial killing, as does every policeman who shoots a fleeing felon. " Okay. So you are saying that the civilians killed in Gaza, by Israeli soldiers and airplanes were "lawful" extrajudicial killings? If thats the case, whose laws? You suggest "international law", but you used your column recently to drone on about how Israeli sensitivities were more valid than those of an accepted expert in "international law".
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Albert Reingewirtz PA, USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Killing of Mahbouh has nothing to do with legality. A leader of the Arab terror Hamas known for having killed at least 2 Israeli's is a necessary target. Two days ago Sirajuddin Haqqani a Taliban chief was targeted to be killed. His brother was killed instead by a drone. The "oops" was mentioned world wide and then total silence. In the case of Mahbouh without any proof linking Israel to his killing the British press is going wild with stiffer upper lip against Israel. Israel should ask perfidious Britain: Et tu Britain? Pressing a button far away is moral but the same face to face not?
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George,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
In the Real World, not in the world of amorphous legalese 'language' created to navigate and find loop-holes in order to gain advantage of that notorious man-made monstrosity called 'Law', eliminating an enemy who seeks your destruction and has committed acts of violence in pursuit of that goal, is not only a 'Right' but as much of a 'Necessity' as food and water.
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Sally - U.S.A.,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Why are the UK, etc... NOT asking what in the world he was doing being in Dubai in the first place? Why are the UK,etc... NOT upset over his victims? It seems to me that the UK, etc... have a misplaced sense of values, but given that the UK set the Lockerbie Bomber free because of their great sense of "compassion," it is certainly par for the course.
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Tuvea - Chicago,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Dennis,
What trials were held by Hamas when they shot rockets and killed Israeli children? Of what crime were those Israeli guilty? Oh that's right. They were Jewish.
Which in your mind - and the mind of all those like you who hate Jews - is enough for their extra-Judicial killing.
Dennis, you are an accomplish to murder.
I guess the only way you can live with yourself is that those who have so handled were Jews. And in your perverted mind, Life unworthy of Life.
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sam in the USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Those who train terrorists in other countries should get the same treatment!
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Keith T., UK,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Dershowitz says there is a war with Hamas but also says Mabhoud was the commander in charge of Hamas' unlawful military actions. Why "unlawful". And if Mabhoud did kill two Israeli soldiers, were they not combatants?
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spilman,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
I think it's too dangerous for israelis citizens , it'll be an open door for Hamas and Hezbullah to start also targeting israelis citizens in arabic countries pretending that they were Mossad Agents, and the internationnal community will not react.............
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Stan,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Actually, the matter was settled in 1907 with the Hague Treaty that defines neutrality in war. As Dubai allowed this war criminal to operate in contravention of its declared neutrality, it had entered a formal state of beligerence with Israel. Legally, Israelis could shoot their way in, grab or kill him, and shoot their way out. They could also demand costs of the operation as reparations.
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Patriotic Indian USA,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
After Mr. Dawood Ibrahim killed and maimed HUNDREDS in the bomb attacks in Bombay, he fled to Dubai, and then to Pakistan.
Neither the UAE, nor the Pakistani authorities did anything to help India apprehend this terrorist. Muslims bomb us and then disappear into Islamic lands, like fish in the ocean.
What the Israelis did is what we Indians must do too.
Go after the Muslim murderers who hide in their safe santuries, shielded by their so called "moderate" brothers.
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Yacov Yosifovitch :Pre-MatureDeath&ThreatOrSuch,IsNO-JOKE!,
Sunday Feb 21, 2010
Better THEM than US!
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