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Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Double Standard Watch: For the ICC to work, the worst must come first Posted by Alan Dershowitz
Comments: 50
There are efforts now underway to try to bring Israel before the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on charges of alleged war crimes. Neither Israel nor the United States has signed on to this court, primarily out of fear that its power would be used against democracies that try their best to avoid war crimes, rather than against dictatorships and terrorist nations that routinely engage in them. This has certainly been the experience with many United Nations organizations, even including the International Court of Justice, which is largely a sham when it comes to Israel and other democracies under attack. There has been high hope among some human rights experts that the ICC would be different for two reasons: First and foremost it is not a United Nations court. It was established by the Rome Statute, a treaty adopted in 1998 after years of negotiations, and is largely independent of the United Nations, though not completely so. Cases can be referred to it by the UN Security Council under Article 13(b) of the treaty. The second reason the ICC has encouraged optimism is that the person appointed as the court's Chief Prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocompo, has a sterling reputation for objective law enforcement and basic fairness. The ICC has rightly opened up investigations of genocide in Darfur, Sudan. (It is now under pressure to suspend any prosecution of President Omar al-Bashir). It has not opened investigations with regard to Russia's alleged war crimes in Chechnya and Georgia, where thousands of innocent civilians were killed. Nor has it opened investigations with regard to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, the Congo and other places where civilians are routinely targeted as part of military and terrorist campaigns. Nor - to its credit - has it opened an investigation of Great Britain and the United States, whose armed forces have inadvertently caused the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Were it now to open an investigation of Israel, ICC would be violating the cardinal principle that must govern all international prosecutions: namely, that the worst must be prosecuted first. It would also be violating its own rules which mandate that the International Criminal Court will not become a substitute for domestic courts. If there are processes within the State of Israel to consider allegations against the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), then those processes must be allowed to move forward unless Israel is "unwilling or unable genuinely to carry out the investigation or prosecution," according to the Rome Statute. There is no country in the world - literally none - that has a judicial system that is more open to charges against its own government. Not the United States, not Great Britain, and certainly not Russia, Zimbabwe or Pakistan! Moreover, Israel has a completely open and very critical free press, which is constantly exposing Israeli imperfections and editorializing against them. Third, the IDF has legal teams that must approve of every military action taken by the armed forces. There are obviously close questions, about which reasonable experts can disagree, but there is no country in the world that goes to greater lengths in its efforts to conform its military actions to international law. Listen to retired British Colonel Richard Kemp - a military expert who, based on his experience, concluded that there has been "no time in the history of warfare when an Army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties...than [the Israel Defense Forces in Gaza]." Despite deliberate efforts by Hamas to maximize Palestinian civilian casualties by firing rockets from behind human shields, Israel has succeeded in its efforts to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas has a policy of exaggerating civilian casualties, both by inflating the total number of people killed and by reducing the number of its combatants included in that total. A recent study conducted by the Italian Newspaper Corriere della Sera disputed Hamas figures and put the total number of Palestinians killed, including Hamas terrorists, at less than 600. And this week, the UN withdrew claims made during the war that Israel had shelled a school run in Gaza by the UN Relief and Works Agency. The same Rome Statute that established the ICC also describes many of Hamas's actions during the war, such as attacking Israeli civilians and using Palestinian civilians as human shields, as war crimes. Any fair investigation by the ICC would have to conclude that Israel's efforts to prevent civilian casualties, while seeking to protect its civilians from Hamas war crimes, rank it at the very top of nations in compliance with the rule of law. It would also conclude that efforts to brand Israel's actions as war crimes are crassly political, based on ideology and not law. If anything, Hamas belongs in the dock, not Israel. One of the most sordid legacies of the Bush Administration has been the pressure the Bush White House put on the Justice Department to prosecute its political enemies and give passes to its political allies. The Justice Department, under former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, submitted to that pressure and engaged in a policy of selective investigations and prosecutions. The prosecutor of the ICC must resist pressures - from the United Nations, from radical ideologues and from other biased sources - to apply a double standard to Israel by singling the Jewish state out from among law-abiding democracies for a war crimes investigation. No international court can retain its credibility if it inverts the principle of "the worst first" and instead goes after one of the best as one its first.
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Jae Lynn, Ma USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Why do more people care that 500 hamas terrorists were killed than 1,000,000 innocent Black Christian babies mothers and sons in Darfur?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU WORLD?!
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Brachah - Argentina,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Unfortunately we all know that the ICC have not resources to investigate and prosecute all the crimes comitted in the international arena and we also know that there is a lot of things that has to be investigated. Anyway, I think that I'll be an excelent precedent for the international criminal law if Israel acept the ICC's jurisdiction, and also a good oportunity for Israel to demonstrate that we did not comit war crimes, genocide or any other international cirme. This will be a good oportunity to demostrate that we were doing what the international law allow to every state: SELF DEFENSE.
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Brachah - Argentina,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
By the way, were did you buy this thing about Moreno Ocampo having a "Sterling reputation for law enforcement and basice fairness".... As an argentinian I can tell you that this is not the reputation that Moreno Ocampo has in my country. Do you know that know he is being prosecuted in Geneve for sexual harrasment??????
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Victor Abbit Clearwater, FL,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
International crimes have been commited all through human history OPENLY.
This article helps in the judication and some understanding of International by exposing its
short history and its bias in the pursue of justice.
It should be the Head Line in every News Paper in our small World.
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Jozef, USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
To my surprise, I find myself agreeing with Mr. Dershowitz. Jewish state should not be singled out afor war crimes investigation. Rather war crimes committed by both sides during the war in Gaza should be investigated and prosecuted. (I suspect that at this poing Mr. Dershowitz and I stop seeing eye to eye).
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Obamican Ohio,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Where is the condemnation of the deliberate slaughter of innocents by the Jihadists? These are not just individual acts by crazed folks, but organized and incited state sponsored war crimes. President Bush was the first to call Hamas a terrorist organization. Where is the current President?
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Richard: Tel Aviv,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Another great effort Mr. Dershowitz, thanks for your time and effort, your analyses are much valued. [ Link to page ] /
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Joseph, London,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
I always look forward to Alan's refreshingly honest and accurate legal opinions. With Pres. Katzav and P M Olmert both under investigation you couldn't find a more independent judiciary.
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Nehemia Levin USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
As I always said, Dershowitz is the only honest intellectual who knows right from wrong. The ICC better take a note of his article or be relegated to a none reputeable organizaton
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leo,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
I know you think Dershowitz is a rabid right winger but he is a leading and consummate lawyer so what he says about law is interesting.
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Barry Goldberg, USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Bravo! In your scholarly and dispassionate way you expose the hypocrisy of the world community. Unfortunately, despite Moreno-Ocompo's "sterling reputation," you can be certain that the pressures to investigate and prosecute Israel and Israeli military leaders will continue to mount--and Moreno-Ocompo will, in fact, give in to them.
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meir -- tel aviv,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
The ICC is a political court, that is, subject to political influences. Most of the judges who sit there represent Muslim/Arab interests, making any sort of honest impartial trial impossible. In the past, it held Israel guilty of crimes (e.g. "occupation") without hearing evidence from Israel. So why give it credibility?
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Jay Goldberg, Illinois, USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
This is a good post by Dershowitz - it puts the whole war crimes issue in perspective. BTW, there's another article here on JPost that give another good perspective (Bennatan's "Understanding the 'war crimes' accusations"). Two different perspectives of the same issue that sort of blend together.
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p s kahn,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
"A recent study conducted by the Italian Newspaper Corriere della Sera disputed Hamas figures and put the total number of Palestinians killed, including Hamas terrorists, at less than 600." So says Professor D., but he evidently did not read the article. The reporter quotes a doctor as estimating that the number of deaths might not be higher than 600. I do not mean to suggest that the numbers were not exaggerated. They were supplied by the local authorities, which means Hamas. But Mr. D. has misrepresented what the article said.
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Donna Cleveland,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
What is so scary about the Palestinian charge is the understanding it is okay for them to kill but not others. Hamas killed unarmed members of Fatah during the operation. Interesting that one point is not being considered by the court. Nor is there word of court considering the numerous attacks on civilain targets by members of Hamas (aka suicide bombers). Which is the greater evil? Firing rockets on civilian targets for eight years or self defense?
Should the case continue, we will all know that justice is blind in The Hague.
Thank you Professor D. for sharing.
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Steve Rosenbach,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Excellent article except for the penultimate paragraph, which sticks out for its lack of evidentiary support. There were many allegations but precious little evidence that the Bush administration "...put [pressure] on the Justice Department to prosecute its political enemies and give passes to its political allies."
Other than that, bravo Prof. Dershowitz!
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A.W.,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Does the fact that Israeli did not sign to ICC make ICC uncapable of judging Israel, or its resolutions unenforceable?
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CJB South Africa,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
I find the number of Gaza casualties, even at 1,300, incredibly LOW for a war, especially one where
Hamas embedded its fighters in the civilian population in order to increase the figure for propaganda purposes (asymetrical morality)
Hamas illegally holds IDF troops hostage. This ups the ante in any fighting.
Hamas uses civilian shields
Etc
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Michael Greenberg,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
To be fair the ICCmust define once and for all the distinction between "innocent civiliains" vs. a
population that votes in and implicitly supports a terrorist regime which attacks a neigbour State -such a population is negligent by refusiing to REVOLT against such a regime that imperils it by inviting the attaclked neighbour state to defend its citizens by going in to the attacker's territiry to stop the aggression..such a population therefore loses all "innocence" and 'protection rights" when the consequences come-THEY are just as guilty as the terrorist regime they support .
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Minuteman California, USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Minuteman, USA, Wed.Feb. 11, 2009
The killing, torture and execution in the Islamic states is non-stop, daily, weekly & monthly.
Two days ago, 2- 9-09, the Hamas authority in Gaza were leading 40 PLO men half nakade on Gaza street, publically executed them, no court no legal procedures. In the Islamic tiranic World, from Sudan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Sudi Arabia etc. thousands of Women, children, young and old, are being slautered daily-where is the ICC?
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Mark Sherer,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Check the last lines of this UN update to see the Double Standard in action: [ Link to page ] .
Palestinian deaths are listed as "1,380 Palestinians dead, of whom 431 are children and 112 are women". Israeli deaths are reported: "3 Israelis have been killed and 183 injured since 27 December by rocket and mortar fire... 11Israeli soldiers have been killed and 340 wounded." As combatants, therefore, the 11 IDF soldiers aren't counted as "people" , and all of the Palestinian dead are implied to be civilians, i.e. human.
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Jay Goldberg, Illinois, USA,
Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
P S Kahn#14: Well, you apparently didn't read the Corriere della Sera article to closely either. London's Daily Telegraph reported it in English here: [ Link to page ] , and the original (in Italian) is here: [ Link to page ]
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Stanley Bramnick - Teaneck, New Jersey,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
It is such a shame that in this age of enlightenment, Israel is always put on the defensive. I guess the right of protecting its citizens is irrelevant in the opinion of so large a segment of the world. Thank God for the United States and first rate legal and erudite minds such as Alan Dershowitz that we can answer the chicanery levelled against us.
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p s kahn,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
Mr Golberg, #22. I read it closely. And you?
«I morti potrebbero essere non più di 500 o 600. Per lo più ragazzi tra i 17 e 23 anni reclutati tra le fila di Hamas che li ha mandati letteralmente al massacro», ci dice un medico dell'ospedale Shifah che non vuole assolutamente essere citato, è a rischio la sua vita.
("The dead might not be more than 500 or 600. Mainly boys between 17 and 23 years old, recruited for the ranks of Hamas, which literally sent them to the slaughter", says a doctor of the Shifah Hospital who absolutely refuses to be named, his life being at risk. )
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p s kahn,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
J. Goldberg, 22, again:
"A recent study conducted by the Italian Newspaper Corriere della Sera" is what Prof. D says. But there was no study conducted by the newspaper, nor by the Palestinian doctor cited. Furthermore, the Italian "potrebbero essere" expresses a possibility, not a fact; much less does it refer to data coming from a study. With all due respect, it is evident neither Mr. D nor you read the Italian carefully (and the Telegraph did not render it accurately) on this point. The article was widely misreported based partly on botched translations.
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Jay Goldberg, Illinois, USA,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
PS Kahn #24, Well then you need to read it more closely. "Un dato però confermato anche dai giornalisti locali: «Lo abbiamo già segnalato ai capi di Hamas. Perché insistono nel gonfiare le cifre delle vittime? Strano tra l’altro che le organizzazioni non governative, anche occidentali, le riportino senza verifica. Alla fine la verità potrebbe venire a galla. E potrebbe essere come a Jenin nel 2002. Inizialmente si parlò di 1.500 morti. Poi venne fuori che erano solo 54, di cui almeno 45 guerriglieri caduti combattendo»." (The English translation follows in the next comment.)
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Jay Goldberg, Illinois, USA,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
(continued, to PS Kahn #24): English translation: Confirmed data also from local journalists: “We have already asked the heads of Hamas why they insist in inflating the figures of the victims? It is strange among other things that the non-governmental organizations (NGOs), who are also Western, accept these figures without verification. In the end the truth will emerge. And it may be similar to Jenin in 2002. Initially they reported that about 1.500 died. Then they discovered that the number was only 54, of which at least 45 were guerrillas combatants”. And Kahn, why wouldn't this be a study?
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Gnarlodious,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
Another great article, Dershowitz. Add Burma (Myanmar) to your list of genocidal dictatorships awaiting prosecution. Thank you for your clear-eyed support of Israel.
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bannister USA,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
Alans Irrationality has damaged his credibility.
His thesis seems to be that Bank robbers who rob big banks should be prosecuted first while Bank robbers who rob little banks are less guilty.
he constructs a logic which is specific to Israel and disregards the rule of law.
If Justice worked his way petty thieves child molesters and domestic abusers would be able to commit crimes with impunity.
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JL, France,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
Only one answer to all the questions being asked about the state of the world
ANTISEMITISM
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p s kahn,
Thursday Feb 12, 2009
To JGoldberg 27-28. Nothing the reporter says suggests that he investigated in any methodical way (and I feel certain that any attempt to conduct such an investigation would either have faiiled or gotten him killed or injured). Why is it not a study? Well, "study" suggests something done with method, and checking a few hospitals and talking with the locals, though it yielded interesting results, is not something a scientist, doctor, or social scientist would call method. Would a competent university professor accept it as a study? (I would not.)
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Nephilim,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
Bannister, you are irrational, & have negative credibility. How about the crimes commited DAILY by your friends in Gaza? If you assume Israel is wrong at every turn, open your eyes & see how the world really works. Why would the ICC charge Israel before Sudan? The massacre of over 300,000 Darfurians is no match for the false 1,300? In your point of view, dictators who abuse their people (i.e., Iraq, Iran, etc.), should be exempt from law, because they do it all the time? When each does worse in a year? Israel committed no crimes in defending herself, with force, after years of restraint.
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Jay Goldberg, Illinois, USA,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
PS Kahn #31: Come on now, it's a study conducted by a newspaper. No one claimed it was conducted by the Massachussets Institute of Technology! Let's stay in context here, Kahn, you seem to be clutching at straws. It's a study, -- not a great study, not an academic study, not a statistically sound study, but a damn sight better than most studies used to justify much of what gets by nowadays as media-reported information. Dershowitz simply told it as it is and gave the source. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, anyhow, Kahn. That the 1,200 deaths figure is more reliable?
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Rajkumar das james,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
It is not surprising to see people support Alan. Yes America , UK and Israel should be tried for war crimes torture illegal , occupation mass murder the list goes on. the Simon Wiesenthal center if it is a just center should investigate Israeli war crimes. it has the arrogance and supporters of other countries with war crimes. Alan can write what he wants the truth is different it hurts. sane germans have difficulty with their Holocaust, few Jews who have a conscience and sense of justice have condemned ISRAEL. tyrants are self destructive. Israel causes death destruction and terrorism.
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p s kahn,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
oldberg, 33. If, on the day after an earthquake (God forbid), I walk around the ruins of my neighborhood and observe things, is that a study? You come on! A study doesn't have to be science, but it needs to be more than anecdotal information. And no, my point is not to accept or reject any given figure, nor to undercut Mr D's basic points -- far from it. I meant merely what I said: that the article does NOT say what D. says it says regarding an alleged study by the newspaper (or the reporter) by means of which that figure was reached. Is that, like, cool with you, Jay?
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Bill, Miami, Florida,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
#30, JL from France says it all: ANTISEMITISM. #34, Rajkumar confirms it. The haters' tactics are akin to judo - use your enemy's strengths against him. Honor, civilized behavior, open and honest discussion are Israel's, America and England's strengths. The haters clothe their passion in civilized words. But their animus to all that decent people hold dear is clear. How can any support those who use children as shields? Throw acid at young girls? Incite and support homicide bombers? Train and arm the Mumbai murderers? Dance in the street after 9/11? Answer: Hatred of all Good.
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p s kahn,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
JGolderg, 33: (cont. ) Mr. D. cites a “study” allegedly conducted by a newspaper. But the reporter has not made a study; and—more important—the figures he cites are based not on his own work but on the words of a Palestinian doctor. The information may be right (though Israeli Military Intelligence now puts the dead at over 1000), but that isn’t the question. Richard Feynman said what matters is the answer, not how you got it. Fine. The point is not what the figure is, but that Mr. D misrepresents both the source of the information and the way the estimate was arrived at.
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Greg Bacon USA,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
What about the six month long planned IDF strike on the Gaza Police Academy?
What about the National Lawyers Guild, documenting Israeli War Crimes, like these?
"The delegation recorded numerous accounts of Israeli soldiers shooting civilians, including women, children, and the elderly, in the head, chest, and stomach. Another common narrative described Israeli forces rounding civilians into a single location i.e., homes, schools which Israeli tanks or warplanes then shelled. Israeli forces continued to shoot at civilians fleeing the targeted structures."
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RD,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
#34, And what does Hamas, Fatah, PLO and the Arab countries cause???
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Jordan Ariel, Pennsylvania, USA,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
Rajkumar #34- why dont you take part in a social experiment? Ask Hamas and its ilk over an 8 year period to direct over eight thousand rockets and mortars at your house. If you have children, please explain to the young ones that if they are playing outside and the loud noise sounds, that they have 15 seconds that may determine if they live or die. G-d forbid they trip and fall. I'm a Jewish American and i've never heard of any other armed force under attack WARN the "civilian" populace that an attack is coming and they should go somewhere else for safety. take your rose colored glasses off
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Esteban Argentina,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
Great post by Alan, I'm disappointed by Moreno Ocampo once a respectable layer. Israel stands alone in its war against Islamo Fascism, the cancer of our times.
We will win.
Good luck Israel, we are with you.
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Carolyn US,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
Some strange things about this article:
1) First Paragraph: Dershowitz criticizes UN organizations for attacking democracies while ignoring dictatorships. Implied assumption is democracies = good, dictatorships = bad.
Hmm, Wasn't Hamas elected democratically? We all know where he stands on Hamas.
2) "... investigation of Great Britain and the United States, whose armed forces have inadvertently caused the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan."
He lists Great Britain first. I'm sorry, was it Tony Blair who decided to go to Iraq or was it George Bush?
Manipulative guy.
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Alex Volchonok, NY,
Friday Feb 13, 2009
Answer to Jozef,#5 on the list.
You , my friend obviously cannot distinguish between the self defense and terrorism.
Please name me one time Israel was the agressor in any action against its anemies?
How about 1948, 1967, 1973 to name just a few of the wars Israel has to fight to defend itself and fight for it's existance. Leave israel out of your antisemitic blubber! First , learn your history,read a lot of books, don't forget the "Bible code" and then maybe you will understand a thing or two.
Analize,don't just follow CNN blindly.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Saturday Feb 14, 2009
To even speak of International Law is a farce. The very nature of Law is that there must be a government, of a consenting populace, that has the power to enforce the Law. In the World today there is neither. At best you have selected entities that have agreed to abide to selected principles of behavior, and property. And to justify a particular 'Court' by reference to a single individual is even more farcical.
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DAVID KAPLAN,
Saturday Feb 14, 2009
#29 Bannister - self admitted ties to Hezbollah
Well, Bannister, as a terrorist yourself, I think your perspective on this is a bit skewed. How you remain out of jail (so far), is a mystery and a damning idictment of our counter-terrorism capabilities.
The only question we have for you is: what is your level of involvement?
See you at your trial.
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Ted Tonioli,
Sunday Feb 15, 2009
As much as I distrust Lawyers, and the mess they have made wherever they convene, I agree with Alan for the most part. Here's a simple test that even the ignorant supporters of Islam may be able to answer. One group of followers of the Bible are told to "love your enemies, and do good to those who persecute you. The other group of followers of the Koran are told to "kill the enemy wherever you find them". Can you figure out which is good and which is EVIL??????
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Nicolette,
Monday Feb 16, 2009
I should think that there is an underlying conflict of interest here because of the UN refugee camps. and UN aid, no?
The Palestinians must first settle their internal civil war and get unified into a state. Then consider the ICC. Otherwise, it's just one faction vying for votes and the whole "spectacle" with the ICC is just a vote-getting publicity stunt. That's clear to me anyway.
I don't think this should be feared, as transparency is a good thing. In the end it may serve to expose UN reponsibilities for the failures of the past 60 years.
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Goy,
Saturday Feb 21, 2009
# 19 has raised a fantastic, and from what I have read in mainstream media not only about Israel but also "other democracies under attack," oft-neglected point. Mr Dershowitz, if you're reading these comments, would love to hear more on what you have to say on this and your "terrorist/civilian spectrum" concept, as well as torture in warfare and emergencies in general, in a more comparative context.
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DJStahl, USA,
Sunday Apr 05, 2009
#37: D. "misrepresents"? By using the term "study"? Cops and reporters regularly use eyeball estimates to count crowds at demos, etc. The reporter seems to have done more thorough sampling than one interview, then gave an estimate based on his experience and reason. The point of D's paragraph was simply that Hamas inflated and distorted casualty figures. That Hamas was deceptive is supported by many sources, such as the IDF's exhaustive "study"--actually, a painstaking count--which showed 800 combatants killed, of 1,100 Gazans killed. About 25% less than Hamas's most recent assertion.
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raphael kraiem,
Tuesday May 12, 2009
when you will realize that 80%of the world hate us 20% of the USA and some in Europe no American Dems care for us and i will prove it to you
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