Double Standard Watch: British intelligence smarter than US' - and than Gary Hart

if Iran gets their nuke and is stupid enough to try using it on Israel then they deserve what they will get! Professor Dershowitz should remember that Israel is protected by GOD and HE has promised to protect HIS chosen people and the country of Israel ! Fear not for GOD is with you!!!

If Iran proceeds all the way to producing a nuclear weapon, it WILL be used regardless of consequences. That may not, by then, be appreciably worse than the culmination of matters that are getting out of hand now, in the ME and elsewhere. War is inevitable and since about 40 years ago it's been clear, the weapons of choice really do include nuclear, chemical and biological. It's not going to be pretty. Nor is the Civil War that already is breaking out Globally. Eating next of kin for survival becomes just a matter of - SURVIVAL. You have to wonder at the juvenile level of current debate.

spot on.

Once Iran aquires nuke weapons it will black mail the west, It will have the jocker card that can be used any where it wants.Israel will have to think many times before it can defend it self incase of an attack. Any comment by a senior Iranian officil could send the west's stock market up or down.All the arab country's will have to aquire nukes within a short time of Irans aquring it, abit like Pakistan and India. Not much people in the west understand Iran's mentality. Iran has to be stoped from getting nukes at any cost.

I truly believe that the National Intelligence Estimate was politically motivated, and it did a great disservice in convincing the world to press on with UN sanctions against Iran. Thanks to this and other recent events I believe the world will be an extremely different place in 2015 or before. My heart goes out to the people of Israel as they are surrounded, and live in constant fear. Hopefully some closure will come soon to this situation.

Applause, Professor. Weak international diplomacy has always been a major factor in the widening and deepening of conflict in this world. Unintended though the consequences of such dereliction may be, the results are certainly no less regrettable because the death and damage were not clearly foreseen. We must stop equating confrontation with provocation. And we must do it soon or risk adding to our growing list of tragic regrets.

Shalom

Alan,
I disagree with you about the idea that sanctions and diplomacy are better alternatives to preemptive strike. Diplomacy has not worked and it will not. I beleive that the case of a strike of Iran's nuclear facilities is even more desirable right now. Most Arabs leaders would object but they would breath a sight of relief to see fundamentalist Shiism be slowed in a region prone to religious sectarianism and for which their regimes are targeted. It would undermine the political structure of Iran itself, because Iranians are not war mongers, it is their theocratic regime.

The NIE Report was made to get the Administration out of any obligation to go against Mullah's of Iran alone.

In additin, there are countries like Austria that openly break sanction and are Mullah's proxies in Europe.

The far left also is in the pocket of Mullah's. Lock, stock and barrel.

All determined to have Mullah's get their bomb.

Ask yourself this question: Can Israel survive a "Pearl Harbor" style nuclear attack from Iran? Can you spell pre-emptive?

The appeasement of Hitler in the 1930's gave us the Second World War in the 1940's. History repeats itself because the mistakes of the past are forgotten!

It is erie how the events in Europe from 1938 thru December 7, 1941 are being parralled by the events in the Middle East exactly 70 years later from 2008 thru 2011.

it is precisely BECAUSE Iran has oil in abundance that it needs the weaponry to protect itself from those who covet it.... surrounded as it is, in an extremely dangerous part of the world. Multiple wars have been fought over this in the last 100 years. Israel's excuse for having nukes is that everybody hates the Jews. Which is also true.

I can't help thinking that Bush has made a deal with the Ayatollah. The deal consists of exchanging Iranian nukes for Iranian help in Iraq. If not granting Iran the nukes outright, then just quitting the game for now, until the end of Bush's term.

This must have been the only way for Bush to get out of the noose.

Gary Hart, Al Gore and Jimmy Carter, as the worldwide champions of alternative energy,
and as the vessels of hot air global warming,
must lead by example: 1. redesign the gas
guzzling Mercury motor on the private boat MONKEY BUSINESS, 2. retool the private jet engines to meet/exceed green standards, 3. reestablish the PLAINS PEANUT plantation production of organic oil for Palestinian lanterns. The three Amigos...put your money
where your mouth is....

To those who doubt that diplomacy works, all I can say is look at Darfur, look at Bosnia, look at Israel, look at Munich(1938?). After looking at these and MANY other instances of diplomacy, how can you say diplomacy doesn't work? It works to fatten the coffers of arms dealers, and despots.

Every basketball coach knows that the best defense is a strong offence: Said that, our main hope of defending ourselves from suicidal jihadists like Iran who are intent in enslaving mankind with their Bizarre ideas is to hasten their suicidal desires and destroy them now before they destroy us! G-d save us from our enemies and from any of our confused leaders.

Avraham

Who can stop the third World War. We must prepare for the inevitable. The America leadership will fail the people ,the West and the World. A change in Foreign Policy that promotes concessions to Terrorist states will lead to a perceived weakness by adversaries like Iran,Venezuela,China and Russia. They will extend their military globally and form an Alliance that will divide this world.
Strong U.S leadership is critically important for a safe and peaceful world. Remember who struck first should be a call to all Americans since 9/11.Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

Iranians, whether the current leadership or expatriates in the US, firmly believe that their country has a right to equal footing in global affairs with the US, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and Europe. Nuclear weapons are an essential element. No amount of non-military coercion will change that course. The next real nuclear war will be on the Arabian pennisula.

I respect Dershowitz.But we cannot under nor overestimate.There are 2 issues, nuclear power,the Bomb.Denying Iran the former will fan extremist flames.Latter must be dealt with by U.N. and moderate MiddleEast, saying former is OK, latter not.Offer reconciliation (Iran rightwing mistrusts the West for 50 years).Iran’s people will reject Ahmadinejad.Ayatollah is not insane enoght to not listen.War is too costly, please be rational.

how can we keep abreast of this continuing conversation and read what gary hart has to say for himself?

While we need to recognize anothers right to self determinism. It ends however when it infringes on security. Both internal and external. It was great sport to attack Bush's intelligence apparatus until it agreed with you and started playing politics with iintelligence via the NIE. Now the pot wants to call the kettle black. Gary Hart was dubious when he was in office abd along with Dershowitz they both need to be taken with chunks of Salt.

The world didn't believe, or preferred to look the other way, in the case of Hitler, with disastrous global results. And now we have a repetition of a similar scenario with far greater apocalyptic implications.

I always wondered what ever became of Gary "Monkey Business" Hart. After reading about his stupid allegations and dumb beliefs, I'm glad he faded away. Imagine the damage if that idiot became president!
Russia today is a major ally of Iran, Syria, Hebollah and Hamas. Hart is a Jihad collaborator and a fool.

It depends on whether the insanity of Iran is real or staged, they can if they use a nuclear missle perhaps kill (I hate to say it) 100,000 Jews. But their whole country will be annhilated: Israel has 100s of nuclear weapons w/ far more accurate delivery systems and some submarine based misslles as well.

Do you really think Iranian leaders are that stupid to invade Israel? The people in charge of the country are bunch of thieves who don’t do anything to jeopardize their control of power. All the tough talks by demagogue Iranian leaders are for naïve masses who can be entertained by hollow slogans.
Those idiots can not even convert oil to gasoline themselves!!

There is no such thing as US leadership. The US is as or more corrupt as any other country, never won a war and not capable to stop terrorism.

Predicting 2015 when Iran'll have the bomb is nonsense. They'll have it by US election time this year. No? So what? A preemptive strike settles the matter. But Israel will be no more right quick, bomb or no bomb, when Judea and Samaria are ethnically cleansed of Jews and Jewish life, and Ahmadinejad's and Dersh's dearly beloved terrorist "Palestinian state" is planted there instead.

I disagree with you that sanctions and diplomacy are better alternatives to preemptive strike.
Sanctions, boycotts and such never works. Never ! Look at Cuba; we have an embargo/boycott for 45 years now. Did it topple the government or even change their policy ?
Sanctions can always be outsmarted. There is always a way to go around sanctions. Everything can be bought with money. Countries can be persuaded not to respect the sanctions, even if secretly. If only one power disobey the sanctions than it has no meaning.

One of the reason Iran is building a nuclear arsenal is that they have the money. Money is no object for Iran. They financed Arafat (remember the boat that was seized ?), they finance Hizbollah and Hamas, they help Syria, etc.

My suggestion, when you do attack destroy also their oil refineries because again the problem with Iran is that they have too much money. Make it so that the only thing they will be able to export is pistachios !

Luke 21:20
"When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near."

Predicting 2015 when Iran'll have the bomb is nonsense. They'll have it by US election time this year. No? So what? A preemptive strike settles the matter. But Israel will be no more right quick, bomb or no bomb, when Judea and Samaria are ethnically cleansed of Jews and Jewish life, and Ahmadinejad's and Dersh's dearly beloved terrorist "Palestinian state" is planted there instead.

Can you imagine what this world would be like today if Hitler or Japan had a nuclear bomb in 1941? Here we go again, only this time it will be a lot worse!

The Americans choosing to go to war against Iraq has made the Iranian stronger. Anyway the recent pleading by the Iranian Ambassador to the UN ,to stop Israel carrying out a pre-emptive strike on Irans nuclear facility is evidence enough of Iran trying to protect its ugly baby(Nuclear ambition).History shows that people,countries,kings,terrorist have tried and trying to wipe out the nation of Israel but hae failed and they will again fail.

Alan Derkowitz is just a mouthpiece and one egotistical person. Anything he says we are supposed to take as defacto based on his shield of Harvard ( which has long tired of his blowhardness and overuse of their good name ).

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In the same vein as Professor Dershowitz corrected Gary Hart's misuse of the word "catatonic" I wish to point out that the child heroine in the novel by Eleanor Hodgman Porter was named Pollyanna -- not "Poliana", as it appeared in Professor Dershowitz's brilliant article.

Come on everyone, wake up to the new reality. A few days ago Ahmedj.. flew from Theran to Baghdad through US controlled airspace, and was not shot down. In the past US policy was to negate airspace use to its enemies. So that tells the entire story. The price was for the Iranian proxi (Mehdi army/Sadr's terrorists) to renew its ceasefire for another 6 months. Essentially, a deal is underway.....

One of the reason Iran is building a nuclear arsenal is that they have the money. Money is no object for Iran. They financed Arafat (remember the boat that was seized ?), they finance Hizbollah and Hamas, they help Syria, etc.

My suggestion, when you do attack destroy also their oil refineries because again the problem with Iran is that they have too much money. Make it so that the only thing they will be able to export is pistachios !

I disagree with you that sanctions and diplomacy are better alternatives to preemptive strike.
Sanctions, boycotts and such never works. Never ! Look at Cuba; we have an embargo/boycott for 45 years now. Did it topple the government or even change their policy ?
Sanctions can always be outsmarted. There is always a way to go around sanctions. Everything can be bought with money. Countries can be persuaded not to respect the sanctions, even if secretly. If only one power disobey the sanctions than it has no meaning.

Think, WW 2, the German Heavy Water Plant in Norway, the Allies knew the Germans would use the bomb if they had it , therefore they pulled out all the stops to bomb the heavy water plant in Norway. There were a lot of Norwegians put at risk by this operation and many Norwegian schoolchildren on the ferry that was blown up, were drowned when the ferry was blown up, but the Allied High Command gave this top priority. If Churchill, Roosevelt, or Eisenhower was still around, the nuclear sites in Iran would all have been rubble several years ago,

The Brits were wrong on the danger Iraq posed.

Second, so what if Iran gets nuclear weapons? We can pretend every nation that doesn't like what Israel does is the Boogeyman, but Iraq has its own survival interests.

But, I forgot! The Iranians are soooo different than Israelis and Americans; an appeal to xenophobia is always good for starting an unnecessary war.

Iraq. Iraq. Iraq.

People are paranoid about Iran. Before Pakistan & India acquire nuke, everyone cried foul, it's a dangerous world! The world will be awashed with Nuke again.

Not really, we are living with nuked India & Pakistan. Even Iran goes nuke, I don;t think dynamics will change. Getting few nukes, will not change the geo-political tantra in that region. We are obsessed and transfixed with Nuclear Iran, trust me, it would not be more dangerous than we are now.

Lets bring peace and hope, the most vital ingredient to live as a good neighbor.

Vesper Quaffen how can you equate WW 2 with the attempt by Iran to develop nuclear energy for domestic purposes? You have an amazing imagination!

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that nuclear war heads in the hands of imbalanced and narcissistic leaders can only lead to potential disaster for the entire world.? Professor Dershowitz understands the threat to all humankind.

Just prior to Hitler's Germany invasion of Russia, Hitler flew to Stalingrad and signed a "peace treaty" with Stalin. Then Hitler flew home and immediately began making war preparations to invade Russia while Stalin felt safe and made no war preparations. Get it?

Gary Hart is deaf idiot. He can't hear a word that comes out of the mouth of Ahmadinejad.
If there has been a voice coming out of the west, it is Israel must at alone. You have my blessing to do what is takes to protect Israel and to heck with the rest of the world.