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Wednesday Mar 18, 2009
Double Standard Watch: Bishop Tutu, the UN and 'Alice in Wonderland' justice Posted by Alan Dershowitz
Comments: 49
On March 16, 2009, a group of 16 self-described experts on "international justice and reconciliation of conflict" - including Bishop Desmond Tutu, who has characterized Israeli self-defense actions as "unchristian" - called for the establishment of "a United Nations Commission" to conduct an "independent and impartial investigation" of war crime allegations stemming from the Gaza conflict. There is of course no need to conduct any investigation into whether Hamas has committed war crimes: they readily admit - indeed they boast - that they are trying to kill as many Jewish Israeli citizens as their anti-personnel rockets are capable of killing. They also acknowledge, as a Hamas legislator did on television, that they use women and children as "human shields." The only real target of this investigation is Israel, which, according to British military expert Richard Kemp: "ha[d] very little choice other than to carry on with its military operations until it reaches the conclusion it needs, which is to stop Hamas from firing rockets at its people in its territory. I think - I would say that from my knowledge of the IDF and from the extent to which I have been following the current operation, I don't think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza. "Hamas, the enemy they have been fighting, has been trained extensively by Iran and by Hizbullah to fight among the people, to use the civilian population in Gaza as a human shield. Hamas factor in the uses of the population as a major part of their defensive plan. So even though, as I say, Israel, the IDF, has taken enormous steps... to reduce civilian casualties, it is impossible, it is impossible to stop that happening when the enemy has been using civilians as a human shield." Only a group as skewed against Israel as this one is would regard the UN as capable of conducting an "independent and impartial investigation" of anything involving Israel. Such an investigation would not "help build a better peace." To the contrary, it would encourage Hamas and other terrorist groups to persist in their tactic of targeting civilians from behind human shields. Moreover, no commission could credibly investigate Israel's actions unless it first set out with clarity what it believes Israel should have done and could have done under international law to prevent Hamas rockets from continuing to target a million Israeli civilians. A UN investigation of Israel - in the face of that body's absolute refusal to investigate Russia, China, Zimbabwe, Iran and so many other countries that routinely violate human rights in an egregious manner - would constitute a major victory for Hamas's strategy. It would send a powerful message to all terrorist groups that provoking democracies into responding to attacks on its civilians will result in United Nations condemnation. Let the international community, led by the so-called experts who signed this letter, first decide what the appropriate response is for democracies faced with attacks on its civilians by terrorists who hide behind their own civilians. Only after it is first decided, in a neutral manner, what rules of self-defense should apply to all democracies faced with terrorism by those who hide behind civilians, could an independent body then credibly apply these standards to the actions of a particular country. To conduct a witch-hunt against one country, which is what any United Nations Commission would do, before articulating the neutral standards applicable to all democracies, would constitute Alice-In-Wonderland justice: Verdict first, trial later. That is the kind of "justice" the United Nations has typically administered when it comes to Israel.
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Jo Ellen Davey Cohen, Chicago, Illinois,
Wednesday Mar 18, 2009
Daily Alert: Durban II: Diplomats Amend UN Racist Text. Bishop Desmond Tutu's characterization of Israel as "unchristian" is correct in the sense that Israel will not 'turn the other cheek' as an invitation for Hamas terrorism. The most reverend, Anarchist Bishop Tutu is ginning up the masses with a call to arms related to his thesis of Israeli apartheid. Tutu's operation push for the United Nations justice: verdict first, trial later and "off with their (Israeli) heads" is indeed a fine implementation of Sharia justice. Thank you Prof. Dershowitz for your steadfast defense of Israel.
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David Strohm, Boston,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
There is a very easy answer to Dershowitz' question "what Israel should have done and could have done under international law to prevent Hamas rockets:. The answer is: a police-style operation: using only ground forces, trying to capture terrorists rather than kill, and put them on trial. Certainly NOT dropping bombs high from the air, because that certainly leads to civilian casualties. Clearly this would have meant many more Israeli soldiers killed, but such an operations would be legal.
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SM, USA,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
it seems obvios that Israel acted in self-defense and civilian causalties were inevitable. The questions is what brought Hamas to engage in acts of war against Israel. Is it because of Israel itself, i.e. Hamas won't accept anything but the destruction of the country?
If you look at the entire situation since Gaza was given back to the Palestians, has Israel done everything humanely possible to help the Palestians develop a viable state in Gaza and West Bank?
These are key questions not addressed by Alan. All he does is to repeat over and over again the bigotry of the UN towards ISR
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Danny,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Note to Mr. Dershowitz: Read today's (19.03.09) edition of Haaretz for first-hand accounts from the IDF's own soldiers and officers about exactly what the IDF did in Gaza earlier this year. I can tell you that I still have goosebumps after reading it. This evidence will surely be used by the ICC when the time comes to put IDF personnel as well as Israeli government officials on trial for war crimes. Perhaps Mr. Dershowitz will offer to defend said defendants during this trial. It will certainly not be the first time he acts as devil's advocate.
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Dan - USA,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
I think the answer to the question of what to do about terrorist groups who attack democracies and then use human shields to defend themselves has not yet been figured out by Israel. Unfortunately.
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mitchell Adler,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Do you want to know why the nations of the world have no regard for democracies?Because there is not a united nations of democracies. Why does the USA continue to support the corrupt United Nations? Why did the people of the USA vote for an administration with clear Socialist policies, and clearley anti democratic leanings. Why would any nation continue the European futile dialogue with Iran and other undemocratic nations? Something has got to give.
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p. taylor U.S.A.,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Good analysis #1. Israel does not have an Apartheid State. I believe allmost all of the other Middle East Nations do have Apartheid Governments including the Palestinian Authority and their Policy of kicking all the Jews out of Gaza and the West Bank also Iran, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. Where putting the Muslim population above all other people is the Law, if you are not a Muslim you are a second or third class citizen, and the second and third class citizens can be killed or put in jail by the Law for things like becoming a Christian or not wearing certain types of clothes, etc.
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William M Ennis Canada,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
In not labelling the Palestinians as a country, Israel apparently has the right to call them terrorists, when in fact they are fighting for their country with what they have. You destroy their homes, what do you expect in return? You destroyed much of their cultural history in 1982 to ethnically cleanse the West Bank and Gaza and so attempt to erase them from history. To cover your atrocities, you blame the UN for everything, ignoring the fact that your nuclear weaponry destabilizes the region. To prevent rockets, give back their land. It's simple.
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Michael Greenberg,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Lets imagine that the majority of the CIVILIAN population of the U.S.A in WW2 called for and supported its leaders decision to nuke Japanese cities and their civilian population at the time..IF Japan could invade the U.SA. after the nuke attacks,how could it be a "war crime" to kill civilians if they got in the way of the military objective? WAR can never be a mere"policing action" and neither are all civilians "innocent"..for you cannotbe innocent unless you oppose your leaders who act to exterminate an enemy's civilians..you are as guilty as the leaders are...Gazan PALs are not
"innocent".
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Adam U.S.A.,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
To # 2,3 and 4. To those with the luxury of typing in a nice air conditioned home, sleep 8 hours a day with 3 meals, without shell shock, or a loss of a family member, friend, or neighbor. To # 2, Israelis' don't have that luxury, and Hamas members do not have a huge sign above them for identification, they wear and dress like any other palestinian until they pull out their weapon of choice with a kid standing next to them. #3, Gaza would improve if it stopped sending missiles into Israel. (Israel got out of Gaza and they only increased, figure that one out). #4 I wish I had enough words left.
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M. Wallach,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
To SM-USA (see below) and others: Yes, as a matter of fact Hamas HAS stated clearly and frequently that it will accept nothing less than the destruction of Israel. This is written in its very Charter in Article 7, which not only calls for the destruction of Israel, but for the killing of its entire population. The population of Gaza, including its innocent civilians, had five years to carefully study this charter and the ramifcations of its provisions, before voting by an overwhelmiong majority to empower Hamas to implement them.
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M. Wallach,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Bishop Tutu is right. Israel is unlike the WW2 Vatican.
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Misaac Rockville, MD,
Thursday Mar 19, 2009
Tell Tutu and the gang that they can evaluate Israel but only if they set up camp in Sderot. By their actions of singling out Israel, they are endorsing the "human shield" concept, so they should become human shields themselves. This change in location, to 'Kassam ground zero" might change their perception.
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DavidM, USA,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
The United Nations is totally corrupt. Its executives made fortunes in the oil for food scam that Saddam Hussein ran. Its performance in Rwanda was a disgrace. U.N. officials did nothing while a massacre took place. Now these same corrupt international bureaucrats want to judge Israel? This is a farce. Bishop Tutu should face a truth commission to determine why he has been silent when AIDS patients in his country have been denied medical care by his government. Bishop Tutu could have spoken out but he did not lift a finger to help the patients. He should apologize for his complicity.
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Joseph London,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
I have been inundated by an anti-Israel media, including even one Israeli newspaper. Why do so few writers have the clear legal mind of Professor Dershowitz?
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Desmond Mobutu Tutu, South African,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
How dare Mr Dershowitz criticize ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a Nobel Prize Winner and therefore I am infallible. If I say Israel is an apartheid state, then it IS an apartheid state
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Yechielshlipshon Joelton USA,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
#8-Mr. Ennis; You hit the nail on the point, when you should be aiming for the head. Israel conceeds to the PALs and tries to give them what they need for a "viable" stateand they kick Israel in the teeth (kill as many Jews/Israeli as possible), then cry wolf because they did not get their state! We have a word for this kind of behavior-Chutzpah! That is where a child kills his parents, then throws himself
on the mercy of the court becuse he is an "Orphan!!!!" Oy Vey! What blarney! Take your reality check; read the Bible. HaShem states several time that the area we are in-Israel- is!
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john williams,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
I could write Dershowitz's articles for him. They basically all go like this, Isreal good, anyone who disagrees is either a terroist or anti semetic or both. Can't you find someone to write real articles with some original insight. Don't forget he wanted to defend OJ simpson.
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M.,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
The so-caleed civilian casualties were purposely provoked by hamas. IDF dropped leaflets warning civilians about the areas that would be attacked. What did Hamas do? Lock their own people in some of those buildings to rise civilian "casualties" and therefore sympathy worldwide - sympathy for the devil, if I may add, as what confuses is exactly the nature of their game. To sum up, I quote Golda Meir "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill theirs.We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us".
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Surfman, Australia,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
For David Strohm,
You live in a world that doesn't exist. Wake-up. There are no rules in war, and Hamas and Fatah have proven this point over and over again. Israel has bent over backward to prevent civilian casualties. If Israel uses your strategy, there will be more deaths on both sides , and the war would be infinite. Because of people with your same attitude, Israel continues to be in a war that will never end. Have a read of the "Art of War", and I know you have not read it!!!! Remind me to never fight a war with you, because your tactics would certainly guarantee death.
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Stan Goodman - Israel,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
Most comments to this blog seem to be from those who believe it is legitimate for Hamas to use its civilians as shields, virtually guaranteeing civilian casualties, and that it is up to Israel to devise ways to deal with the tactic, even at the cost of heavy casualties among its own forces in the process. Interestingly, that is not the attitude of the Fourth Geneva Convention (aka "International Law"), which holds that the blood of Gazan human shields is on the head of Hamas. The hypocrisy exhibited by these critics so far beyond ignorance that it can be the result only of deep anti-Semitism.
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ralph,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
Many individuals as well responsible of media and political or religious leaders tend to give an advice
opiniion or judgment about everything even if they don't know all the particulars ,in this case accusing
Israel whitout wait for the conclusuions of an INDEPENDENT inquiry which should also investigate
about HAMAS and other terroristic groups.
The higher the position one occupies ,in particularly leaders the careful they should be with their
declarations and statements if they want to be credible or maintain a moral authorithy.
Ralph
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Bert,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
For William M Ennis Canada,: Hamas does not need to fight. It has to BUILD for their country. Their homes are destroyed as a reaction to suicide bombing. The West bank and Gaza are full of Palestinians, so the claim of "ethically cleansing" is ludicrous. Israel is not blaming the UN for everything. Nuclear weapions have nothing to do with Gaza. Three years ago Israel "gave back their land" by leaving Gaza. It got rockets. You are spewing boilerplate untrue statements.
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ira berkowitz oakland california,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
the comments of #s 2,3 & 4 are not easy to characterize. the extent to which these people stretch logic is mind boggling. what did israel do to allegedly provoke hamas to fire 7000 missiles into israel? there is the implication that the firing of deadly missiles was justified. there is the further implication that israel should send only police (to their certaindeath) into gaza city to arrest rocketeers.
all of this nonsense begs two questions. are these people jew hating anti semites? if they are not anti semites, then are they so "open minded" that their brains have fallen out?
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jeff mendenhall,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
Mr. Dershowitz had better think about crafting a new message about the morality of the IDF. Apparently many soldiers with a conscience have affirmed what the rest of the world could clearly see: the indiscriminate killing of civilians and destruction of property. Of course, many will try to smear these courageous and moral soldiers, probably including Mr. Dershowitz. I continued to be amazed at Israel. There are many Jews who see the immorality of the persecution and oppression of the Palestinians. They are what makes Israel a great country.
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Tom from Toronto,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
I thought Allan was an expert on international law. If he is, its even more Alice-In-Wonderland-ish than he paints. He looks for an answer on how democracies should deal with human shields when international law has long spoken on such heinous crimes. It's called "perfidy" and international law clearly lays all the blame for the death of the human shield on the combatant that used the civilian as the human shield. The only problem is that when Israel is put in the dock by the "righteous nations" the ordinary rules no longer apply and ANY act of self defense is deemed a war crime.
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Chris Coughlin USA,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
It is time The United States stops all foreign aid and weapons sales to any entity outside its own borders. It is time the world sees all descendants of Abraham, who have weapons in their hands, as enemies of mankind. It is time the angel of death falls upon those who murder women and children and hide behind the excuse of self defense. AD does not mean Alan Dershowitz. The meek shall inherit the earth.
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Nephilim,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
Ennis, still an idiot. What "ethnic cleansing" in 1982? Intervening in the Lebanese Civil War to destroy PLO bases for launching attacks on Israel? The 1st Intifada in 1987 that went on for 6 years, with more than a 1000 deaths, most due to internal Palestinian violence? They are not a country. They have not accepted conditions for a 2nd state, so they have no country yet, & at the rate they're going, they'd be lucky to get one. How is unused nuclear weaponry "destabilizing" the region? Not letting them kill Israelis? How sad for you, that you never learn & still post nonsense.
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Phil,
Friday Mar 20, 2009
Some of the anti-Israel comments like those of "Danny" and "William Ennis" just show the shallowness and prejudice of their thinking and their refusal to understand the conflict. Ennis talks about a simple solution to the terror---Israel returning the land. Evidently, he doesn't remember that Israel totally withdrew from Gaza and the result was Hamas taking over and rockets fired at Israeli towns. Maybe the only thing that is simple is Ennis' brain. Danny talks about accusations against IDF troops in Ha'aretz. He missed the point that Israel will investigate---unlike his Hamas friends.
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p. taylor,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
#8 Ennis, Do you know the Law Israel instituted to demolish Homes. Let me fill you in, Israel Law destroys the home of any person caught in Murdering innocent civilians are caught in the act of using the home for attempts of killing innocent civilians. Israel doesn't even take the life of the Terrorist when they are caught (many times the terrorists are dead because they have killed themselves). Israel is trying to stop the Islamic Jihadists from their acts of murder, at least present all the facts so as not to mislead yourself and others into more acts of terror against innocent civilians.
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p. taylor,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
#18 john williams, I've read several of Mr. Dershowitz articles and one of his books, The Case for Israel, and they have been well documented pieces that refute many of the anti Israel statements and ideas you hear from the Islamist and from some ideas and "facts" you hear from organizations who are pro Palestinian and anti Israel. Mr. Dershowitz views are very fair and well thought thru, when you find some mistakes in his writings let us know. Please use some facts and quotes, backed by your argument, instead of just accusations which is only hot air, or cold air by now.
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don the maccabee,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
#24, Ira you are absolutely correct. These gentiles are brain dead. #25 you need an education on who's he oppressor. The arabs are oppressing the arabs. Learn the truth before you make your dumb statement. But knowing bigots like you, you will believe whatever the lying arabs will tell you.
I am sure you are Jealous of us Jews when we defeat these moronic arabs. Eat your heart out chief.
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Simon, Philadelphia, PA,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
Note to Danny #4. You should consider that only in Israel would you be able to have read something like that. Even in U.S. this information would have been suppressed by military censorship. Regarding the Haarez publication: you need to consider that the so called group was organized by a known pro-Arab activist who was not an impartial listener as first reported. The soldiers, who also had clear political interests, did not tell of their own accounts, but what they supposedly heard from others -- basically unsubstantiated rumors. Dont be so quick to judge based on this sensationalist information.
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ira jaffe,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
The anti-Israel cabal is bent on trying to prevent another incursion into Gaza. end!!!!
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Sonny,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
Desmond Tutu and the UN should be shut down. The hypocrisy of individuals and institutions
Only reflect badly on the whole. Why the US allows the UN investigation to go forward
reflects badly on the US. I have never seen anything like this in history. Israel no matter what it does in self-defense is guilty of whatever Hamas says Israel did. Israel is getting more internationally isolated than Iran. As a Christian Tutu and the politicization of the church was the reason I stopped going to church. Israel did no wrong in Gaza, Tutu and the UN are getting to be irrelevant.
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Barry, San Francisco, CA,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
Mr.Desmond Mobutu Tutu. Have you looked at whats happening since the blacks have taken over the government in South Africa? Murder rates and crime in the city's and country are as high as anywhere in the world. Corruption is rampant. Aids is exploding, and some men are raping children thinking that having sex with a virgin will cure Aids. Women are afraid to leave their children alone with the father. Get off your high horse.
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Phiilip Hare ,Rockville Maryland USa,
Saturday Mar 21, 2009
Archbishop Tutu is not the only distinguished South African calling for an enquiry into war crimes alleged to have been committed by the Israelis. In Gaza. There no call for an enquiry into crimes committed by Hamas in attacking innocent civilians or centuring their atrocious , illegal and barbaric policy of taking hostages. israel should agree to have an enquiry so that the leaders of Hamas will have to show their fcaes and answer questions. Israel hans nothing to hide..
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Marsha in NJ, USA,
Sunday Mar 22, 2009
Sorry, Tutu, turning the other cheek is not a Jewish concept. And guess what, Israel turned it's cheek on over 6,000 rockets and finally ran out of cheeks. Who asked you, anyway?
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Neal, Minneapolis,
Sunday Mar 22, 2009
To David Strohm (No, 2): "police action?" It appears you don't know your backside from your elbow about police work or about combat. Exactly how would Israel's army (trained for combat, not law enforcement) capture and arrest terroritsts without gunfire? An iron rainstorm of 6,000-plus rockets constitutes war, and a nation that wants to win a war uses overwhelming force (see Gen. Colin Powell on Iraq, circa 1980-81). Israel's reluctance to go to war is obvious from the fact that it put up with rockets for more than half a decade before deciding to take what was hoped would be decisive action.
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s.g. USA,
Monday Mar 23, 2009
I too thank Prof. Dershowitz for his continued insights using fact, reason, and the law. In that vein, it is not accurate to characterize Bishop Tutu's remarks as consistent with Christian thought. Although Jesus did say to "turn the other cheek," his comments referred specifically to individuals, not governments. In the book of Romans, Paul recognizes government's need to protect its citizens. As a Christian, I disavow Tutu's harmful and irrelevant criticism of Israel. To be taken seriously, Tutu must say what both Israel and Hamas should have done to avoid war and protect people.
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Michael Turner,
Monday Mar 23, 2009
I wonder, at what point will Israel turn against even us. Think about it, what true benefits does our unshakeable and uncritical alliance with them provide us? We claim Israel to be our most important ally when it is the french who are our oldest allies and the English who are our most stalwart. We provide Israel with billions in loans that they never have to repay, we give them the latest armaments, ones that even some of our NATO allies are refused. Israel, atleast the ruling elite there know that they don't really need us..its just a matter of time till they decide to cast us aside.
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alemild UK,
Tuesday Mar 24, 2009
"Let the international community, led by the so-called experts who signed this letter, first decide what the appropriate response is for democracies faced with attacks on its civilians by terrorists who hide behind their own civilians."
Just ask the US to donate the same level of weapons to these 'terrorists' as it hands out freely to israel and then they won't need to 'hide behind civilians'.
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John Williams,
Tuesday Mar 31, 2009
From you article, The only real target of this investigation is Israel.
You occupy a peoples land then attack them with Navy, Airforce and Army if the have the audacity to complain about their treatment. They have neither a Navy, Airforce, no air defence just a rag bag bunch with some pickups and AK47's and homemade christmas cracker rockets. What do you expect. The films of the phosphour bombs being dropped are numerous. Over 39 people have died from the cluster bombs you dropped in the last days of Lebanon. The world knows whats going on and no amount of huffing an puffing will change it.
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Mary USA,
Tuesday Mar 31, 2009
There is a Christian "left" in America and in the Anglo-Episcopal Church which is anti-Semetic. Bishop Tutu is among them. Why? Part of it is a desire to have a British Christian faction control holy sites in Israel usually located in Arab neighborhoods which are major sources of revenues from tourism. This takes cooperation from Arab factions who are strongly anti-semitic. Competing Christian interests are Armanean and Coptic (Arab) sects. The Roman Catholic church as little presence in the Holy Lands outside of monasteries. Money seems to be the goal and driving force, not theology.
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Rock Rega, Israel,
Thursday Apr 02, 2009
It seems many of you above are afraid to admit the truth and prefer to live the fantasy.
Hitler defined for us what is evil. The Hamas charter shows that their values are similar, as far as wanting to kill Jews and their terms for "peace".+ from their causing the deaths of 600+ Palestinians (and 100+ women and children) in the 2006-2007 internecine Gaza violence and their death squads after the present Gaza operation in which they killed and maimed those Palestinians they considered "traitors", the Hamas must be completely obliterated. We must play by their rules if we are to survive.
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Joe in Albany NY,
Tuesday Apr 07, 2009
Dershowitz is incaapble of rational discussion when the topic is Israel. According to Dersh, everyone is out to get the Jews. Guess what Alan? Most of us don't care what bedtime stories you teach your children, or whether or not you have a foreskin. We do care however when civilians are needlessly slaughtered. Human rights organizations and even Israeli soldiers are saying the same things. The IDF (and by extension, the Israeli government) decided to conduct this operation so as to minimize IDF losses, not to minimize civilian deaths. Hence the indiscriminate bombing and use of WP. 1982 redux.
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Leo, USA,
Tuesday Apr 14, 2009
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi who was murdered by the Romans. However, as usual the Jewish people were blamed for this and murdered by all. No matter what Jewish people do they will always be faulted for their actions and hated by others. I can hear the hate in many of the above responses. Why do so many people hate and want to kill the Jews? I think it is because Jewish people are generally intelegent and succesful in their endevors, which other people cannot stand to see. Also children are taught by their parents to be hateful of those who are different from them. This is called racism.
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Allan Wolman Johannesburg S.Africa,
Wednesday Apr 22, 2009
Prof. Dershowitz you are so right about Tutu. As a S.African I have seldom heard the good Bishop denounce any country other than Israel of human rights abuse. He skirts very lightly over the continuing abuse in many African states he has very little to say about abuses in Islamic countries. Touched very lightly on the Xenophobic killings here in S. Africa but give the man the bait and he will devote pages of venom against Israel.
I have never heard him criticize the many Islamic states that dont tolerate a Christian church this coming from a Bishop of the Anglican Church!
This is supported by our enlightened government policy against Israel and the Jews of this country. Who by the way played such a disproportionate role in the fight against Apartheid. A famous case in point was the Rivonia Treason Trial in which amongst those charged was Nelson Mandela together with 29 other accused of which 17 were Jews!!!
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Jay,
Friday Apr 24, 2009
to #4 danny: re: IDF soldiers accounts
It was shown later that in act these were stories told not by soldiers from the front, but by people who had "head these stories" and in fact they were not admissions at all. to date there are some violiations that the IDF are pursuing, but there were no war crimes by the IDF according to the Israel Justice department (a liberal Dovish group indeed)
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