Thursday Feb 04, 2010

Double Standard Watch: Arguments 'ad hominem' in defense of the Goldstone Report

Posted by Alan M. Dershowitz
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Even before the Goldstone Report was released, Richard Goldstone was arguing for its credibility by invoking his Jewishness, his Zionism, his daughter's residence in Israel and his connection to the Hebrew University. It was the mirror image of the classic fallacy known as the "argument ad hominem," which is defined as follows: A substantive argument should not be rejected solely because of who has offered it.

It follows of course that an argument should also not be accepted because of who offered it.

A close relative of the ad hominem fallacy is what I have called "the argument by ethnic identity," which I have defined as follows: An anti-Israel argument is made stronger if offered by a Jew. ("See, even a Jew agrees that... ).

These are precisely the fallacious arguments being offered in defense of the Goldstone Report by Richard Goldstone and his supporters. Goldstone has even elicited his daughter's help. This is what she has said: "Had Richard Goldstone not served as the head of the UN inquiry into the Gaza War, the accusations against Israel would have been harsher." She continued, "My father took on the job for peace, for everyone and also for Israel." She told The Jerusalem Post, "My dad loves Israel and it wasn't easy for him to see and hear what happened. I think he heard and saw things he didn't expect to see and hear...."

The problem is not what Goldstone saw and heard. It's what he willfully and deliberately refused to see and hear. He refused to watch videotapes, easily accessible on the internet, that show conclusively that Hamas terrorists routinely fired rockets from behind human shields. He refused to credit eyewitness reports published by reputable newspapers, and even admissions by Hamas leaders. He willfully refused to listen to the testimony of one of the world's leading experts on how democratic militaries fight asymmetrical warfare against terrorists who hide behind civilians, who said: "I don't think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza."

Instead of defending the report against the many substantive arguments offered against it, Goldstone has repeatedly cited his Jewishness as both a shield against the criticism and a sword with which to continue to attack Israeli actions.

Had Goldstone not been the author of the United Nations Human Rights Council report on Israel, it would be tossed in the trash barrel along with other one-sided and biased reports by this prejudiced group which targets only Israel for human rights violations. But those seeking to defend this indefensible report point to Goldstone's authorship as proof that it must have credibility, because a Jew wrote it.

In a criminal trial, it is impermissible to attack the character of the defendant unless he has placed his character at issue. That is precisely what Goldstone has done in his campaign to lend credibility to his mendacious report by constantly invoking his Jewishness. The appropriate response to an ad hominem positive argument is an ad hominem negative argument. That is why, in addition to providing a 49-page substantive response to the arguments and methodology of the Goldstone Report, I have raised questions about Goldstone's motivations in accepting leadership of the mission and signing his name to a report which is so demonstrably false and one-sided.

In light of the hard evidence, that is easily accessible online and in the media, Goldstone cannot possibly believe that Hamas did not intentionally use human shields, have their fighters deliberately dress in civilian clothing and use mosques and hospitals to store rockets and other weapons. Videotapes conclusively prove these charges, and Hamas acknowledges - indeed boasts - of them. He cannot possibly believe that Israel used the thousands of rockets that Hamas directed against its children as an excuse, or a cover, for its real goal, namely to kill as many Palestinian civilians as possible. Nor could he possibly believe that the Israeli government made a policy decision, at the highest levels, to deliberately target Palestinian babies, young children, women and the elderly for murder. All the evidence points away from these wild charges.

Yet he signed a report asserting that those demonstrably false conclusions were true. Shame on him. And even more shame on him for exploiting his Jewishness to get others to believe these defamations against the Jewish state.  

The Goldstone Report should be rejected on its demerits. The added fact that it was authored by a Jew - selected precisely because he is a Jew with aspirations to be honored by the international community - should diminish, rather than increase, its credibility.  

I have challenged Goldstone to debate the substantive points in his report. I promise not to make any ad hominem arguments against the report if he stops making ad hominem arguments in its favor. Or as Adlai Stevenson once promised a political opponent:  "If you stop lying about me, I will stop telling the truth about you."

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1  |   Danny, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Goldstone makes me puke
2  |   DavidM, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Richard Goldstone knows exactly why the United Nations was so eager to appoint him to this mission. His Jewish ancestry is a weapon for the anti-Israel forces at the United Nations to use against Israel. Indeed anti-Israel media outlets all over the world revel in the use of a person with Jewish ancestry against the Jewish state. In return Goldstone has been richly rewarded. He is featured on television and the college lecture circuit. He is a leading candidate for the next secretary general opening at the U.N. Richard Goldstone's ambition outweighs anything else, even the truth.
3  |   Df, Beer Sheva, Israel, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
One other thing that Goldstone and others that support him and his report do not relate to. They claim, quite correctly, that the IDF had overwhelmingly superior fire power. With all this fire power and the so called decision by the highest echelons of the IDF and the Israeli government to kill as many civilians, women and children as possible, why were there only about 1400 people killed during the operation ? This includes terrorists. Pure logic says that with all this fire power, there should have been at least 10, 20, 30 or more times people killed during the entire operation.
4  |   Steve USA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Goldstone. Yemach shemo.
5  |   Erastus CoupeDeVille - Ong's Hat, NJ USA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Dear Alan, Instead of reading reams of legal mumbo jumbo, I would prefer to compare the scenes of death and destruction in Gaza caused by Israeli military incursions, to the scenes of death and destruction in Israel caused by Gazan military incursions.
6  |   Dan USA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
thanks Mr Dershowitz for all your work in support of Israel. You are a Jewish Heroe
7  |   DM, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
As usual, Dershowitz is right on the mark. It is terribly disheartening to read about mass atrocities, murder, mutilation and rape that are going on in places like Rwanda and the Congo and to see that international actors would rather allege war crimes against a tiny, free, democratic country with an open and fair judiciary defending its citizens from constant threats in the most humane ways possible. If Hamas were interested in helping and advancing its people, they would have had an up and running state decades ago, (and full international support) but they continue to insist on violence.
8  |   Jozef, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
What a chutzpah!!! After calling Judge Goldstone a traitor and coparing him ot those who wote "The Protocols of Sages of Zion" Mr. Dershowitz whines tabout arguments ad hominem. Alan Dershowitz is notorious for ad hominem arguments that he direct agains anybody who dares to challenge Isralesl's infallibility. And let's add to it his own statements about Goldstone report which are a textbook case of begging the question. Again: The man has a chutzpah
9  |   Maya, Sweden, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
The daughter said it all: "My father took on the job for peace." So even she admits that her father had an agenda, i.e. took on the job to be able to promote his "peace" agenda according to which peace would be achieved by deligitimizing Israel. This agenda does disqualify him as a neutral fact-finder, doesn't it, Alan? Reminds me of Swedish media and their identical "pro-peace" agenda, with their journalists proudly proclaiming: "I want to make things move!!" Great big agendas everywhere, emanating from great big egos, replacing open, humble, investigative minds and attitudes ... - Shalom!
10  |   David USA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Dershi's life-long job is to get murderers and their criminals off. He is very good at that. His pilpul is the shtick of just such a lawyer.If everything is so crystal clear from photographs and Goldstone can be so easily refuted, why is Israel hiding behind a curtain of silence for a year ? Dispatching 300+ kids in weeks is no mean feat !!! Yeah yeah yeah , blah blah - they were all human shields .Goldsone's widely know integrity towers sky high over the well-honed spin of the shady Dershowitz who is trying in vain to kill this inconvenient messenger.
11  |   Hughie United States, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
"Operation Cast Lead" sure doesn't sound like a military operation that gives a lot of thought to precise, surgical strikes.
12  |   Richard Pearce, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Unfortunately for the Zionist hardcore, Richard Goldstone was a Zionist second, and a man of justice first. Years of work in Yugoslavia and elsewhere taught him to not accept at face value what either side claim, and to instead look at what the evidence shows. He looked at the videos, and saw them for what they are, just as he looked at the claims from Palestinians, and saw them for what they are, too. He dismissed a lot from both sides, and only accepted what there was credible evidence for. But some people lack that skill, and instead accept all that one side says, and dismiss the other
13  |   Jason - Atlanta, GA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
How exactly did Dore Gold get a debate with Goldstone at Brandeis University? I am extremely happy that I watched that debate in its entirety. It was an enlightening experience. My belief is that Goldstone learned his lessons from that debate, and hence will continue to refuse to debate, or even address anyone else that is criticizing his report. Dore Gold was very concise, and make Goldstone look like a fool, in my opinion at least. Alan Dershwitz would do so even more, and Goldstone knows this. It is sad that Goldstone will not address any of the arguments publicly available to his commission
14  |   josh werblowsky, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Alan you have hit a bases loaded homerun. But using your favorite sport ,basketball ,you have defendend likeBill Russell and scored like Wilt Chamberlain.
15  |   Walter USA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Mr. Dershowitz, How did you get to become a famous lawyer without understanding the basis of Ad Hominem? Your opposition of the Goldstone report is understandable as a loyalty to Israelis, but... How does a person explain why you are deliberately providing weak or inaccurate definitions and explanations of common fallacies (or logical arguments)? Are you pro-Israel but anti-Jew?
16  |   Nir, Pittsburgh, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Another brilliant analysis by Mr. Dershowitz. Well done.
17  |   Jeff Schoenwald, Thousand Oaks, CA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Don't you mean "reputable" newspapers?
18  |   Ben, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
G. report is an importaint step for legitimizing terririst`s methods of wageing wars.The principle of using human shilds is natural for any terror gang which acts between civillians and against civillians. G. daughter`s argument reminds me the argument of Auschwitz`s commandant.
19  |   Stan, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
His doing the same in the South African community - getting his friends to write soppy monologs about his credentials while all the time carefully avoiding debate over the content and issues he endorsed in the report that are full of errors - a totally political one sided travesty of justice. He is a political hatchet man and good at it.
20  |   Herbie Blumberg, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
It is ironic that Goldstone trots out his daughter to insist that he can not be antiIsrael. His daughter lives in Canada, as far away from Israel as one can get. Her opinions about her father are understandable but they give no credibility to Goldstone's report. What motivated Goldstone was crystal clear last week when he gave the George Herbert Walker lecture at Yale University. Goldstone basked in the limelight. Had Goldstone not authored a report accusing Israel of war crimes, can anyone believe that he would have been invited to give the lecture at Yale? Of course the answer is no.
21  |   Ben Lake Forest CA, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Richard Goldstone friends like him we do not need an enemy. does not he see each member in the United Nations, has brothers and sisters and Israel all alone, we pulled our troop from Gaza we mean to do well we did not mean to do ill we want peace, if the Arab world lay their arms it will be peace but if Israle lay their arm you know what`s going to happen, Mr Goldstone called Hamas in the report the Group.it is like calling the Taliban the Group, Is he really qualiffied ? or he is a kind of a person who knows it all," Good have mercy on us.
22  |   ron,Australia, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Goldstone was appointed a judge by the Apartheid Govt in South Africa.No civil rights minded person would have taken on such a position unless an ambitious opportunist. The Apartheid govt only appointed 'yes people'. Goldstone, like Dr Percy Yutar before him whose naked ambitions to be a Jewish attorney General led him to being chief prosecutor in the Mandela trial. Goldstone is an evil man masquerading as a bleeding hearts human rights jurist.
23  |   alan cohen houston texas, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Always a pleasure to hear and read what he has to say.. Been practicing law over 20 years and he opens my eyes and mind. Glad Alan is on our side.
24  |   Arnold - Canada, Thursday Feb 04, 2010
Editing error: paragraph 5, line 4: should be "reputable" rather than "refutable".
25  |   real-liberal France/US, Friday Feb 05, 2010
A Norwegian Nazi collaborator has enriched the language by giving his name to the succint label of statesmen who collaborate with enemies of their nation: Quisling. The libeling of Israel and aiding those like Hamas who want to destroy the country by a prominent Jew should from now on be called "goldstoning."
26  |   Ikleinman, USA, Friday Feb 05, 2010
He was selected for his credibility as a Jurist highly respected in the international community as you admitted before. And, with all due respect Sir, why should he debate you? By looking at your track record, your performance is dismal according to surveys taken after debates with intelectuals such as Noam Chomsky. Israel can certainl;y find a better defender than you, with all due respect.
27  |   William M Ennis, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Dershowitz is a complete and utter deluded madman. His arguments have no basis in reality, but in legal trickery. Goldstone was appointed as an honest broker, and because if he WASN'T Jewish (and a zionist as well), Israel would have immediately labelled him an anti-semite or some other meaningless drivel. No one with half a brain in America believes Dershowitz. He has been exposed time and again as a liar, and a plagiarist. Goldstone obviously cares more about Israel since his report is intended to end an illegal occupation which has cost Israel severely, while Dersh seeks to perpetuate it.
28  |   jay, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Alan you are the last person I expect to talk about the Goldstone Report. Since you are a diehard supporter of the extreme Israeli right and indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians; and thus can’t be an unbiased judge.
29  |   Josh San Diego, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Richard Goldstone will answer for this in heaven. There wasnt even one complaint filed with the UN about Israel blowing up mosques, because of the obvious reality of weapons and explosive caches within them exploding seconds after the airstrike is over. But Goldstone still didnt mention it. Everyone! Imagine if a man's daughter lived in Tehran, a man who wrote a report accusing Iran of war crimes. Or in the Palestinian territories. How long would that daughter last there? The irony is lost on everyone
30  |   Tod Zuckerman, San Francisco, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Alan : Great column. One little point, however - Goldstone is a great admirer of Obama ( Rev. Wright's old buddy). Specifically, Goldstone thought it was terrific that Obama had the U.S. re-join the UNHRC ( after Bush ordered our withdrawal for its anti-Israel bias and demonization). Still no pangs of guilt for your decision to campaign for Obama ?
31  |   Dov Koret, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Mr. Dershowitz with al due respect to your writings & the correct reports you have sent both the u.n. & ban, no doubt they will not be introduced Fri 5th Feb to the u.n.g.a. as they are what is expected to be heard. I would expect by now they have been introduced to mr. shreder. DK
32  |   Michael Storch, Jerusalem, Israel, Friday Feb 05, 2010
If the goal were to kill Arab civilians, there would have been more dead. 1400 dead in more than 20 days works-out to less than three dead per hour. That more than 10,000 infantry deployed with modern weapons - including artillery, tanks, rocket-firing helicopters & bomb-dropping airplanes -managed to kill less than three people per hour requires one to believe that they were not running amock, murdering freely.
33  |   Boaz Ben-Pelech, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Goldstone-not everything that glitters is Gold- Thanks JP for publishing Mr. Dershowitz article, what a sham it isnt frontpage here and in other Israeli Pepers. As a jew living in the Diaspora I am sick by all the self hatred in most of the articles writen especially in Haaretz, it is plain incitement to anti semitismus and hate. Therefore I must thank the Jerusalem Post for this article.
34  |   Jack Fort Collins, COjk, Friday Feb 05, 2010
I do not recall Dershowitz or anyone else except Milosivicz and the South African apartheid government ever criticizing Judge Goldstone before this report. So Dershowitz and Israel join the list of those whose infamy has been exposed by an honest and courageous jurist and who seek to defend their war crimes by criticizing him personally. To Alan and his ilk Israel has never done any wrong and never could.. Anyone who criticizes the policies of Israel is either antisemetic, a self hating Jew or now , an opportunist simply seeking publicity. Shame on you Alan Dershowitz.
35  |   Evan W, Chicago USA, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Judges, as Richard Goldstone is surely aware, are required to recuse themselves when they have a conflict with a party to a law suit. By being Jewish and professing to be a supporter of Isreal, he had a conflict, though not in the way one might suspect. Rather then being biased towards Israel, his purported feelings towards Israel worked against his objectivity as he strained to appear fair. Goldstone's defense is that Israel refused to cooperate and therefore has no reason to complain if the report was one-sided. Knowing this, he should have recused himself.
36  |   Richard Pearce, Friday Feb 05, 2010
#22, I guess you don't know that Goldstone brought down the 'Group Areas Act' while sitting on that Apartheid era bench. And he did it by spotting a single word out of pages of text. Not exactly a 'yes man' for the Apartheid regime, and one of the reasons for the close relations between Desmond Tutu and Goldstone.
37  |   IJ Melbourne, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Another great article. Well done Prof Dershowitz and I hope you do get that debate chance.
38  |   Yehuda, Friday Feb 05, 2010
The kapo collaborators in the death camps were also Jews. They at least could argue that execution was the alternative to collaboration; Goldstone cannot.
39  |   Fred - I love the Negev, Israel, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Richard Goldstone should not be allowed to step foot in our country and have it known that those who damage Israel or show the face of an Israeli soldier online should be jailed or sent away from our borders. Alan your comments though dead on will not stop the next wave of Jews willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder. There's a rich paying network for those Jews with status willing to sell their people down the river. I pray that one day common sense will prevail in Israel and that all media's news come after military censorship. Our IDF family can defend this media batltefield.
40  |   Ben, Friday Feb 05, 2010
##26,27,34-Americans simply believe in all Israeli crimes! They believe in the same way in Obama`s rethorics.Why ? They "know" Jewish falsity and covetousness(for PA land). Antisemites in the whole world "know" it for centuries.
41  |   Susan, LA, Friday Feb 05, 2010
The Jerusalem Post already knows all about ad hominem arguments. It's "Goldstoning" title was quite revealing in that respect.
42  |   joaquim levi, brazil, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Goldstone is a disgrace. As a punishment, a harsh one, he deserves to... go to hell, or worse, to live in a muslim country like Somalia, Gaza, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, etc.
43  |   joaquim levi, brazil, Friday Feb 05, 2010
To #5: And how many people were killed by Iraquis in your USA before you destroyed theirs? Not many people died in southern Israel (thank God), because Israel is a civilized country and provided shelters + alarms for the population, but people were sitting in shelters for months. Are you in a shelter in the US now?
44  |   Apocalypse_Dreams, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Well, by Mr Dershowitz' arguments, how are we supposed to evaluate the author of this article? Dershowitz is a plagiarist who wrote a hoax (The Case for Israel). And, if that was not enough, he used a hoax (From Time Immemorial) as the basis for his hoax.
45  |   Yehudit, Evanston, Illinois, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Mr. Dershowitz's "Double Standard" column is thoroughly spot-on and should be required reading for the whole planet ( especially for Reform Movement adherents)--but not before a typo is corrected: In paragraph 5, I believe "refutable" should be "reputable."
46  |   Arieh, Carmiel, Israel, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Hughie #11 - And the pre-invasion joint Iraq war exercises carried out by the U.S. Kuwaiti and Saudi forces called "Operation Inward Look" - ( O.I.L.) - doesn't exactly sound like altruistic "incursion" it was trumpeted to be. After 9/11, the U.S., taking into consideration that 15 of the 19 terrorists were Saudis, should have immediately turned Mecca and the Ka'aba into a smoking sea of glass instead of attacking Sadaam Hussein and bringing the unprecedented horrors of daily homicide bombings to Iraq and leaving the Saudis to laugh a a U.S. president who now BOWS to them.
47  |   Jacob Smith, Friday Feb 05, 2010
I should like to see a number of years pass, and then Richard Goldstone take a vacation in a Dubai hotel room.
48  |   Bogdan Poland, Friday Feb 05, 2010
You are all insane. If killing so many children and civilians in not a crime then what is it? It is like blaming a rape victim that he skirt was too short. It is the same what Germans did to Jewish and Polish children in Poland during WW2. Germans called Warsaw Jewish fighters criminals and terrorist too. People like Alan intentionally support criminal activities of some IDF leaders so they can make money in courts. He will be the first lawyer to defend them , if needed. Good move Alan. It worked for you defending O.J. Simpson. IDF leadership, not IDF soldiers to be blamed.
49  |   Walter USA, Friday Feb 05, 2010
A question for Israelis... Does it not cause concern that a person is defending you by using a deliberate distortion of a scientific construct? When someone says "Israel is a bad country because it is run by a Jew", that is anti-semitism, a derivative of ad hominem. Ad hominem basically means to focus on an irrelevant aspect and use that criticism as the basis for your attack on the relevant. Mr Dershowitz is using a defense that will not get past anyone, from any country, who has taken logic in college. Google his "argument by ethnic identity" (in quotes) to see how widely known it is.
50  |   Henry Ostberg, Friday Feb 05, 2010
I have been life-long supporter of Israel, and have visited there repeatedly. But I cannot defend many of Israel's recent actions, especially the antics of the current Netanyahu government -- with that insane and dangerous Lieberman as Foreign Minister. As for Dershowitz, he has repeatedly been shown to be a publicity seeker without principles.
51  |   Gregory, Friday Feb 05, 2010
So, all the people who are Jewish, Zionitsts abd support Israel have to think alike and, at leas in public, uncritically support everything Israel has been doing. It looks like Mr. Dershowitz confuses being a Jew and a Zionist with being a sheep.
52  |   Terry, Friday Feb 05, 2010
Being fair with Goldstone how could he produce a balanced document when he heard only one side? I just dont understand how can Goldstone go on parades at universities and claiming what he is claiming when he knows only one side of the story. That doesnt sound right to me.
53  |   Walter USA, Friday Feb 05, 2010
#17 and #24 it is not a mistake. Goldstone refused to use refutable evidence. He accepted only what he considered "beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt".
54  |   Rick from Brisbane, Saturday Feb 06, 2010
Ad Hominem attacks are the lot of anyone who dares criticize Israel and Israel's apologists are truly masters of the art. Is it any wonder Goldstone has tried to defuse the inevitable onslot? I have read the report and reread the conclusions and I cannot find anywhere where it says that Israeli forces tried to kill as many civilians as they could. I believe you misrepresent the report as nowhere do you quote it or offer a page number for reference. Lastly, Goldstone has backup with the report from Amnesty International and the one from Human Rights Watch, which have the same conclusion.
55  |   Jerry, Abroad, Saturday Feb 06, 2010
Thank you Richard Goldstone for enriching our language.Now we are able to use Iscariotism, Yudenratting and Goldstoning in the same context.
56  |   Sally - U.S.A., Saturday Feb 06, 2010
#5 - in answer to your question - Goldstone refused to investigate the damage done by Hamas - indeed that is the point. In fact a doctor disfigured by a hamas bomb, using your terms, "Gazan military incursion" confronted Goldstone after the report was presented. Goldstone claimed not to know. Why didn't he amend the report once he found out. Indeed, why didn't he go into S'drot in the first place? Goldstone "presupposed" Israeli intent & then picked the "evidence" to support that predisposition. If his report were not a fraud, wouldn't he have included exculpatory evidence as well?
57  |   Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf - Argentina, Saturday Feb 06, 2010
Dershowitz says: "He cannot possibly believe that Israel used the thousands of rockets that Hamas directed against its children as an excuse, or a cover, for its real goal, namely to kill as many Palestinian civilians as possible." Richard Goldstone never said that Israel's goal was to kill as many civilians as possible. It is only through these gross misrepresentations that his report can be attacked.
58  |   Labhras, Saturday Feb 06, 2010
You should stick to getting murderers off Dershowitz. Difference is this time these war criminals wont be getting off.
59  |   Jewchai, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
Labhras, should I expect HAMAS leaders to be punished?
60  |   AbeBird Belgium, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
(1) Why bothering only on Israel? Where are the UN “facts finding” commissions for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Darfur, Seri-Lanka… etc…. ??? Israel defends herself from neighboring and within immediate enemies while the US flies over half of the world for military ongoing continuing battles. In the last Gaza "Cast Lead" operation according to unreliable Hamas sources, Israel killed 4:1 (terrorists per civilians), 1 dead citizen for 4 dead terrorists.
61  |   AbeBird Belgium, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
(2) Let not believe the Hamas forgery, because it is well known that some of the killed-citizens were civil-dressed terrorists which fought against the IDF and others were people that were shot by the Hamas itself (whether they were un-obedient citizens that seek refuge from combatant areas against the orders of the Hamas or Fatah members that were assassinated by the Hamas, all which were listed as "civilians" killed by the Israelis!) ..... at the same time one calls the Americans or the Europeans as “nobles” while in Iraq and Afghanistan the Western armies rate of killings is 1:17 !!!!! 17 civilians per one terrorist !!!! Please, calculate the huge difference by yourself !!!!
62  |   AbeBird Belgium, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
As a matter of fact, while hearing the Israelis' testimonies by video conference one short afternoon, goldstone and his committee's collaborators just felt asleep. They were bored of the truth!
63  |   AbeBird Belgium, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
(48 /1) Bogdan Fooland, Don’t call names on wiser than you. Pay just a little bit respect to those who know better than you. Why bringing the WWII in? Do you really think that it will serve your cause? Jews didn’t send rockets or suicide bombs into Germany or Poland, they didn’t want to conquer their lands and drive the Germans and Poles into the sea. As a matter of fact Jews were the bright part of Germany and Poland and participated in advancing those states to better standards of living, studying and enjoying life. The Germans and most of the Poles betrayed the Jews and annihilated as far as they succeeded.
64  |   AbeBird Belgium, Sunday Feb 07, 2010
(48 / 2) Now day’s Haj Amin el-Housseinies Nazis still exist and want to annihilate the Jews that sit on their national land. The Jews’ enemies are the same, as say yourself, but the huge difference is that now the Jews have their own state and Army to protect themselves from such as you and to inflict the consequences upon their haters and attackers. So, keep yourself, War-Saw, calm and the tail between your legs.
65  |   Yehuda, Israel, Monday Feb 08, 2010
There are 2 points that must be made here: First, Nowhere in the Goldstone report does it claim that Israel's goal was to intentionally kill civilians. Dershowitz has twisted Goldstone's claim that collective punishment was the goal. As a veteran of the IDF I can attest that collective punishment is routinely employed against the Palestinian civilian population. Second, in all his blustering about Goldstone's failing to review material that incriminates Hamas, Dershowitz fails to mention that Israel refused repeated requests to cooperate in the investigation, so don't cry about it now.
66  |   Yehuda, Israel, Monday Feb 08, 2010
I would like to add that as a Jew living in Israel who served in a combat unit in the IDF and continues to serve in a combat unit in the reserves, I am disgusted by many of the comments I have read here. To misrepresent the report claiming Goldstone accused Israel of intentionally killing civilians because of an inability to hear any criticism about Israel whatsoever is sad. But to accuse Goldstone of being a Nazi is unforgivable. Shame on you. To simply accuse anyone you disagree with of being a Nazi is to cheapen what was done to the Jews in the Holocaust, at this moment I am truly ashamed.
67  |   Jonathan South Africa, Monday Feb 08, 2010
The problem with the Goldstones of this world is that they do not have the Intellectual capacity to realise that the norms of "war" have changed. They are so fossilised in their acedemic study of what was International Law,that they do not have the ability to look at the current situations regarding modern warfare.
68  |   r, USA, Monday Feb 08, 2010
Goldstones' worldwide are failures therefore all products produced by them whether a doctor, jurist or indian chief have no validity....is the name Goldstone now equivalent to Quisling? Was his name always Goldstone or was it Goldstein?
69  |   Bogdan Poland, Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
(63/1) Get your fact straight, learn history and logic. Poland did not betray Jewish people. 3 mln Polish Jews were part of Poland. They did not betray themselves. 17% of polish army before WW2 were Polish- Jewish soldiers. We had 12 Jewish senators before WW2 and 3 Jewish Foreign Ministers after 1990 and we are very proud of them. How many do you have in Belgium? This kind of propaganda have been invented in Germany, Belgium or US after WW2. Western Europe and US have betrayed Jews and Poles when Germans started WW2. What did they do? Nothing and silently supported German criminals.
70  |   Bogdan Poland, Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
(64/1) People like you were stereotyping Jews and Poles before and during WW2 and have caused such a crime. Shame on you. Poland and UK are the only county in Europe supporting Jewish state. You should focus your attention on Belgim, one of the most antysemitic country in Europe and its neo-nazi FNB spreading hate around Europe instead of diverting attantion and supporting criminals.
71  |   Gábor Fränkl Hungary, Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Yehuda, your strawman-building of a false crediblity of yourself is deeply suspect. The fact is that you appear to be so biased in your thinking toward the "Palestinians" that you are incapable of facing up to the unpalatable fact that what Dershowitz is saying is not only true, but factually supported. Goldstone DID accuse Israel (both the Army&the political leadership) of intentionally killing civilians. (Paradoxically you yourself confirm this by using the discredited "collective punishment" mantra) Your bombastic negation of this easily checkable reality doesn't change anything.
72  |   samantha, Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
I suspect my neighbor was a capo. But a friend told me that even if she were a capo she must be forgiven because she was in the camp.
73  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Thursday Feb 11, 2010
Bogdan 48, to call all of us insane is going too far and, perhaps, you should look in the mirror first. I find the comparison of IDF to Nazis extremely infuriating. The mantra of comparing Jews to the Nazis has become common among anti Semites. Israel went to Cast Lead only after all else failed to stop 8 years of rocketing on innocent civilians. In comparison to other democracies Israel has done far more to avoid casualties among the innocent, as stated by Colonel Richard Kemp. Your superficial post shows a great deal of ignorance and underlying Jew hating.