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Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
The true desecrators of our Jewish tradition Posted by Rabbi Andrew Sacks
Comments: 64
Let's get something straight. The State of Israel is a democracy, not a theocracy. However, the lines are frequently blurred as Israel is also a Jewish state and often reflects Jewish values. Unlike the American system that creates a "wall of separation between church and state," Israel has no constitutional division. Indeed, Israel has no constitution. The time is now to put an end to the haredi rioting in Jerusalem. For they are the true desecrators of our Jewish tradition.
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Eretz Israel,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
I think the time is now to put an end to columns that are dedicated solely to haredi-bashing.
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Shimi ISRAEL,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Why does the Conservative Movement promote the desecration of Shabbos? I will agree that sometimes the Haredim go a bit overboard, but it is for the sake of Kiddush HaShem. Israel is a Jewish state and can not allow work to take place on our holiest day of the week.
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l.finn london u.k.,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Ivisited Israel a month ago and witnessed a Chareidi demonstration. Ifeel that a great deal of the violence is due to the attitude of the police. My daughter who was with mer stood by a division to observe.She was physically assaulted by a policeman who felt she was too near the barrier.
The way the deonstrators were treated was a disgrace. The demonstrators were unarmed
, but were treated as thugs.
Please dont just blame the Charedim.
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Akiva UK,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Masorti Matters is nothing more than an Orthodox Bashing Blog. The Conservative movement seems to have no purpose other than to not be Orthodox. This lack of raison detre, coupled with the ever increasing assymilation, is the reason it is dying on it's feet. Rabbi, your anti-Hareidi statements are not without merit, however on the backdrop of a sea of negative, anti-orthodox strawman attacks that you propogate, it's hard if not nigh impossible to take this blog seriously any more.
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Yisroel, Baltimore USA,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Give me a break! As a frum, shomer Shabbos Jew, I say that these hareidim are committing a chillul Hashem, are ignoring the fact that it is asur to destroy another's property, and are themselves being mechalel Shabbos themselves! The fact that Rabbeim allow this to continue is beyond comprehension, and absolutely inexcusable. Those that profess to be frum, need to behave in a frum manner, living moral and ethical lives. There's more to being a Tzaddik than studying Torah.
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Brian, Israel,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
I fail to see how these riots protect the Shabbos, if anything I would say they are the worst violation of it, destroying property, lighting fires, spitting, yelling, cursing, calling other Jews nazis, throwing stones at people and a disgusting mob mentality, not to mention bringing their children along. Why the police don't crush them is beyond me. The mayor of Jerusalem is useless, and where is the PM? Disgusting.
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Gary Hess,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
"negativity about other Jews" should be the name of this column. is there anything at all positive to report about your little "movement" or is it just that you hate haredim? lovely (I actually mean TERRIBLE!). this is an awful column that is reflective of an even worse "movement" of disaster! the only way y'all think you can connect with secular israelis is through mutual hatred - truly inspiring. i guess this explains all the tremendous success.
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Dupree NY,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
. "This is certainly an aim of the Masorti Movement (despite what the Talkbackers are going to claim). But let us do it through "Darchei Noam" - ways of plesanness."
I agee that's anaim of Masorti movement but it seems to me that the movement is heretical. You claim to be shabbat observent but is that a priority of your movement? What standards re conversion? what importance halacha? what % of self identified Masoriti Jews take halacha as binding.
As for the Haredim .They break the law because the gov't allows it as do many Arabs. A strong response rubber bullets tear gas etc stops it.
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Marc Israel,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Wow Andy, you really dont like most orthodox Jews. There are definitely many problems in the Haredi Community especially when dealing with Israel. But you have to work on improving them and to stop cutting them down. Might as well try that with all the other orthodox factions you hate. Remember, Blind Hatred runs many ways.
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Living in Galus,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
excellent post! Well-stated: violence is always condemnable, and no one should have the right to treat an honest company like that.
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Michael Greenberg,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
WE the Jewish PEOPLE need a DEBATE on the whole concept of Rabbinical Interpretation of Torah AND on the value of TRADITION ,,,because IF TRADITION is based on bad rabbinical interpretations -THEN keeping Tradition for Traditions sake is STUPID...SO lets debate the "TRADITIONAL " INTREPRETATIONS which have become the TRADITION "LAWS" ...first we debate by what RIGHT does ANY RABBINICAL "AUTHORITY" dare impose their " LAW" on the Jewish People--the TORAH never gave RABBIS that "AUTHORITY" -who proclaimed them our judges?
"ALL" milk+meat together is NOT banned by TORAH-lets debate TRADITION.
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Michael Greenberg,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
WE should also DEBATE the TRADITIONAL SHABBAT "LAWS" --the rabbis interpretations of TORAH on this may be in error -again leaning to a bad TRADITION... You can certainly debate what is the meaning of M'lechet Avodah Lo Tassuh...Why should "WORK" have anything to do with flicking an electrical switch --no SERVICE is being performed -no human or animal is "LABOURING" in this...it is simply a terrible rabbinic interpretation of the work ban on Sabbath....RABBIS can be stupid too..nor is veneration of the past by itself a necessarily valid "cement" for a religion...Logic must prevail.
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Michael Greenberg,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS conferring religious freedom DOES NOT MEAN tyranny by ONE SECT of a religion over other interpretations of it,rather freedom of DEBATE about the interpretations and TRADITIONS of that religion must be allowed ..so that if a sect claims to be the ONLY valid protector of the TRADITION it should not have any RIGHT to subdue other opinions ... In that sense respect for the Haredi view MUST be replaced by the right to CHALLENGE those views-but the debate must be civil and peaceful..IF they get violent defending their view of TRADITION and "LAW" -they embrace TERRORISM.
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samg New York, NY,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
Ahh the pot calling the kettle black ... another column that tries to "Goldstone" the Haredi bashing. While this time Sacks is right - the Haredi need to start behaving better, maybe he should follow his own suggestion and change the denomination he heads which advocates, Homosexuality, Mixed Marriages, Non Kosher and the deseicration of Sabbath! Its hard to take him seriously when what his congregations so is WORSE then what hes complaining about! Is he right, yes - but Sacks, clean up YOUR OWN MESS FIRST, BEFORE DEFAMING OTHERS :)
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Cember,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
And yet again the black-hatted, black hearted, anti-democracy, anti-Zionist haters show up on a blog to defend the indefensible and to arrogantly dictate to the rest of us. It won't work! You who believe that the word "Jewish" has only one meaning, yours, are simply wrong. You contribute nothing but trouble and expense to this country, and yet have the nerve to try to violently inflict your world view on those who make positive contributions. Who do you think pays for your bread? Who do you think dies to protect your parasitic lifestyle? Go back to Monsey! Get your wives to support you!
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Larry Canada,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
I happen to agree with everything the rabbi wrote, but I don't see what it has to do with masorti judaism in israel. Maybe the rabbi can comment on halachik decision making within masorti judaism or what separates the masorti/conservative from orthdox and reform or the differences between israeli masorti and american conservative?
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Roi Jerusalem,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
The Haredim have done turned more people against Jewish observance than any other factor.
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Ron,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
What they are doing is chilul hashem. they can protest but not violently!! they are supposed to follow the rules of the land they are in!! A secular Jew will see this and see that the Haridim have no integrity because they are breaking the rule of following the rule of the land and not to mention inspiring hate to their fellow Jew.
This causes animosity from the "Religious" and the "non religious" and in terms of Judaism it is exactly what Judaism is NOT! In the Tanya it is written that the Jewish nation is like a body and each Jews plays an integral part of the body.
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daryl,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
If you can't fight them join them. That's my reply to you who loses sleep whenever Jews demonstrate to uphold G-d's laws. That the JPost hired you demonstrates where its lefties on top are silently running the gossip daily ragsheet it is.
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Joe Feld,
Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
According to the frum web sites the police actually attacked Rav Tuvia Weiss, Head of Edah Haredit.I have lived in Meah Shearim during demos and it was the police who generated most of the violence.
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Jae US,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Im far more concerned about the sheer ineptitude of the left and now Bibi, than I am of 0.1% of haredim who throw rocks (works for the fictitional palestinian people).
Elite power in Israel, in form of media control & court system, belongs to the secular leftist ashkenasi which make up less than 15% of the population.
This is far more negative to Israel than a few hundred grandchildren of Europe's ghettoized Jews
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sharon wynnewood Pa,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
the real issues get lost here, the writer is small minded and focused on Jew bashing-this is what happens to "wanna be" leaders with no vision..
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Jen USA,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
#1 Eretz Israel... really? Rabbi Sacks is correct in drawing attention to crimes committed by haredi community "leaders". If you want to defend a group of thugs, that is your right. If Rabbi Sacks wants to criticize them, it is his right and duty as a respected leader.
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kishkeman,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Yep, it's certainly an aim of the Masorti movement to promote tradition and Shabbat observance. Just that it's an even higher aim of the Conservative movement to get meat in the seats approve whatever level of observance or lack thereof they because Conservative Jews as a whole aren't ready to hear the message they aren't engaged in enough tradition and observance. That is what is needed to keep the money coming in. And this is certainly the real aim of the Conservative movement. (Despite what this (rabbi) will say.)
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Shlomo, Israel,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Rabbi Alexander Schindler was reputed to have said: "The conservatives are just 10 years behind us". He said this after members of his own ranks voiced concerns about adopting patrileneal descent as a means to determine Jewish status and the resulting lack of support in the conservative movement . Any deviation from Halacha puts into question the very existence of the Jewish people.That is why, although I agree that our behavior should reflect our eternal values of brotherly love and true ahavat israel, The Masorti movement is in no position to lecture anyone on Judaism.
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Bill, Australia,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
This guy is railing for the right of a foreign-owned business to employ Jews in Jerusalem on condition that they desecrate the Sabbath...and he's compalining about religious Jews desecrating Jewish tradition? Give me a break! I don't know what nonsense they're teaching at those Masorti ordination factories, but is sure ain't logic and it sure ain't Judaism.
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Neil, Argentina,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Why does the JPost tolerate this divisive blather? The only thing a column like this does is single out a constituency of Israeli society for abuse. This is terrible for the Haredim, terrible for the Masorti, terrible for Israeli society, and terrible for all Jews everywhere. I wish the JPost editors had a greater professional sensitivity to hate speech and a deeper concern for the unity of the society it ostensibly serves as a part of.
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Neal, USA,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
One again, we get a bunch of vitriolic posts unresponsive to the message. The point is that a group of Jews is desecrating Shabbat with violence -- and not just any group of Jews but one that proclaims its adherence to Torah. But instead of responding to that irony, people attack the messenger as not frum enough for them. The topic is sad and serious. One could further ask how this group justifies harmful acts on *any* day. It's not Masorti Jews who are damaging property on Shabbat. A Judaism that has to be defended by breaking its own rules and causing harm is not one worthy of continuing.
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sz,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
m.greenberg- you got a lot of attitudes and they all demonstrate a religious
fervor of Lego Judaism- I can make anything I want. You position your intellect
and knowledge against 'vererable' rabbis who century-century have been plugged into
the genius of Judaism. What ingnorant arrogance. Enjoy your solo-flights to nowhere-
You must be a very good ref or con Jew.
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sz,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Sacks- big deal you keep shabbas and some kashrut. so did my local reform rabbi. Unfortunately, what you do is far removed from what your members do. They laugh at you because you never could convince them it was important. Once you allowed driving&took down other supports of the Jewish foundation, most members became care free, just clinging on, for sporadic 'ol time religion.' Tell you what. I'll give you an ounce of respect if you can write positively about anything Jewish 30% of the time. In the meantime, I will favor any religious Jew who'se convictions are in action-not words!
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Shaul Ramat Gan,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
So many people call this blog "Jew Bashing."But is that not exactly what the Haredim are doing?Who are the violent ones?Who are the politicians they criticize? Which denominations do they refuse to recognize?What is the religion of most of the Gay community in Israel?
What is the religion of most of the press and of the police?
What about the vulgar statements by the supposedly great rabbi,Ovadya Yosef?Do we not say "Haverim Kol Yisrael?"
To # 1,4,7,14,15,24, and 25- other than your anti-Conservative insults, what say you about the fact that bashing will stop when the base behavior stops?
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David Katsav,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Once again - Jpost has become more and more about leftist political ideas, and less and less about the truth. This publication used to be respected, and now this is the best they can do? .. There is no place for Jews who destroy our heritage, who abandon the Torah, who rewrite it to suit themselves. If there's anything you should feel bad about "rabbi" .. you should feel bad about yourself.
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David Hebron,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Hello Rabbi,
what does the Prophecy says about Israel ? Should it be a democracy with an PM, or maybe a kingdom with the leader King Maschiach ? The answer is clear. So why is Israel acting against the God of Israel and Bar Nafli. Who than Bar Nafli can rule Israel and Palastie to the days when God will arrive.
Or is it this way: You israelish people are complete the son's of Schaul and you are hating David ben Yishai ? Then its better for you to leave Jerusalem and Israel. Who Mister Rabbi, who is the final judgement ? David ben Yishai. Youre Kabalah can't help you against Bar Nafli
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Shaul, Beit Shemesh,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
#15 Cember - I am not Hareidi but I find your post unbelievably offensive. Stereotyping and bigotry is okay in your book if it is directed against Hareidim? It is a tiny fraction of the Hareidi community that perpetrates the violence, and while the violent demonstrations ARE a chilul Hashem of the first magnitude, and should and must be condemned -- and stopped -- the hateful bile that you are spewing is just as bad in my opinion.
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john, london,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
it is a pity that rabbi sachs has nothing to say but bashing others.
I was hoping to hear a religious perspective - not incitement.
Maybe someone else should write this column
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Cember,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
I understand why the Jewish PEOPLE (Am Yisrael) should and must be preserved. Can anyone tell me why the Jewish RELIGION (which is radically different from Dat Moshe veYisrael) deserves to be kept on life support, whether by Haredim, Misrad haDatot, the Masorti "Movement", the Reform "Movement", the Reconstructionists, the Messianic Jews, or anybody else? What is the justification for preserving and/or imposing ANY organized religion on Am Yisrael b'artzoh?
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Cember to Shaul @ #34,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Is this better? Yet again the black-hatted, anti-democracy, anti-Zionist haters show up on a blog to defend the indefensible and to dictate to the rest of us. It won't work! You who believe that the word "Jewish" has only one meaning, yours, are simply wrong. You contribute little but trouble and expense to this country, and yet defend those who violently try to inflict your world view on those who make positive contributions. Who do you think pays for their bread? Who do you think dies to protect their lifestyle? Go back to Monsey! Let your wives pay for your studies! I'm sick of it!
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squelchedagain, noprintie,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
Let's get something straight. You don't get to desecrate our Jewish tradition and then accuse the other guy of being the "real" desecrator. It's fairly obvious to anyone looking at a religious Jew versus a "Conservative Rabbi" that one upholds the Jewish tradition and one replaces it with Protestant vestments, music and values. It's painfully obvious to anyone who reads this despicable little blog that it's author holds nothing but a whole lot of contempt for Jewish tradition and Jewish traditionalists.
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Rafi, Chu"l,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
"Now let me be clear" and "the time is now"--someone has been listening to a lot of Obama speeches :)
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Yehuda Yaakov, Yerushalayim Habnuyah,
Wednesday Nov 25, 2009
I agree that the Charedi riots are a busha to Shabbos. That being said, everytime I open this column, I shudder, fearing what I'm about to read. How badly can Andrew Sacks bash Orthodox Judaism, and specifically Charedim. You (Sacks) are right that the riots need to be stopped, but YOU are not the person to say it. After all you do to bash them. As for your comment that this has widespread support among the Charedim, another falsehood, and I point readers to here: [ Link to page ] .
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Zu,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
Hey, Rabbi, are you endorsing the freedom of speech to the extent that homosexuals can parade through Jerusalem? What about Sodom?
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Shmuel Barmalach,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
This small group of misguided people should be put into its proper place. Violations of law should lead to arrest and incarceration. As as orthodox Jerusalemite, I am embarassed by their actions but more embarassed at the failure of the police and the courts to enforce the law. I personally try to avoid any pruduct or restaurant which supports them by paying for their kashrut certification.
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Al, USA,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
I agree with R' Saks. Nowhere did I read him bashing orthodoxy. He was merely pointing out that some Haredim were desecrating Shabbos by throwing rocks, hurting people and destroying property, not mention a shul and sefers. That is a desecration against Hashem.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
Cember #25, how ironinc the most vitrolic, hateful and closed-minded post on this blog is yours. You always cease to amaze.
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kishkeman,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
#31 Charedi violence is bad. No need for me to comment further. I will comment on the "aim" of my local Con. synagogue that I know for a fact this past Shabbos to get families to one Friday night service a month started electric guitar led Kabbalat Shabbat services an hour after sundown and then stopped using the guitar when davening Maariv as if to say that the time Shabbat really began for the community was about 1.5 hours after sundown. Are we really hitting or aim to bring Conservative families closer to tradition and observance with that hocus pocus? Sacks aims. I tell it like it is.
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Mitch LA,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
#26, I'm sorry to hear you're so down on "foreign-owned" Intel. Most Israelis are ecstatic that the world tech pioneer sees Israel as such a great place to invest. For a country to survive, it needs Kemakh as well as Torah. Someone needs to produce the wealth to support the kollels; they don't support themselves.
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Shel Zahav in Jerusalem,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
We get your point: when the Haredim do anything, they are wrong. Then, you spin a long article to justify your point.
Israel should shut down on Shabbat every week.
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Shel Zahav in Jerusalem,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
Reply to Cember:
I am sorry that you are so ignorant of Judaism to write "The Jewish RELIGION is radically different from Dat Moshe veYisrael." I must tell you that the Jewish religion is Dat Moshe v'Yisrael. Maybe you should learn about it.
The Conservatives, Reforms, Reconstructionists, and all other forms of pseudo-Judaism are rapidly disappearing. You go into a Reform "Temple" today and you cannot even recognize Judaism there! The Conservative pseudo-Rabbinate (or Judenrat) tells Jews that they can drive on Shabbat. I don't think Moshe and his followers would agree with that.
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Going Too Far-Meir,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
From today's newspaper (Ynet):
Haredim demand 'kosher' certification for Arab workers
Ultra-orthodox in Beitar Illit ban together against Arab workers, claim they have negative influence on town's women. They proffer solution to issue 'kosher' supervisors for workers
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David, Israel,
Thursday Nov 26, 2009
You don't fullfill a mitzvah by breaking two.
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Ilan,
Friday Nov 27, 2009
This Saturday night is a big Walk To Take Back Jerusalem from the straglehold of the Haredim.
Meeting at 19:00 at Kikar Paris and walking to Kikar Tzion.
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elzeide, Buenos Aires - Argentina,
Friday Nov 27, 2009
I'm a Conservative Jew living in Argentina, so I cant know "exactly" what happens during the demostrations, if police is generating the violence or not.
But these haredim are committing chillul Hashem. They don't carry A key because is Shabbat but they throw stones and destroy cars? As I read above "There's more to being a Tzaddik than studying Torah".
Shabbat Shalom to everybody !!!
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Steve, USA,
Saturday Nov 28, 2009
Opinions on Rabbi Sacks' interpretation of Judaism aside, the questions here should be, are Jews being forced to work on Shabbat and is a Jew deriving direct benefit from the work of others on Shabbat. The answer in both cases is no. Instead of worrying about haredi bashing, one should worry about how rock throwing, desecration of property and setting fires on Shabbat are seen in the eyes of G-d. Does anyone really think that this is what He had in mind when He commanded us to "observe the Sabbath day and keep it Holy"?
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nonjew,sweden,
Saturday Nov 28, 2009
I don´t live in israel. I read jpost on line everyday.I am not jewish,but I am rabidly prozionist. This post sounds like a war of invectives between jews and muslims.You are such a tiny people;how are you going to survive if you are not united?you need to discuss your differences calmly and intelligently.Of course jews have different opinions about eachothers jewishness,its natural.But remember: there are six billion non-jews out there who also have opioions on what is a jew...
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Ilan,
Sunday Nov 29, 2009
The 3,000 people who showed up to protest Haredi hoolaganism, Saturday night in Jerusalem, should be a sign that people are saying "We won't take it anymore."
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Fred, Houston, Texas,
Sunday Nov 29, 2009
If many of the Haredim got off welfare and starting working then maybe they wouldn't have as much time to protest.
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akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Sunday Nov 29, 2009
To Rabbi Sacks: The Sabbath is dedicated by Hashem for the benefit of Humans. This because he completed the work of creation that he had intended which is Humankind. It is a day to give thanks to Hashem for everything you have including your life. It is not a day to distress or harm anyone. It is not a day to increase your possessions or wealth. It is not a day to be disrespectful. It is not a day to do things that shame you or others. Be holy as I am holy says Hashem. The Jewish people are required to help all, including non-Jews and animals, to observe the Sabbath. No more be said !!!
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akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Sunday Nov 29, 2009
COMMENT #54 - My dear Swedish friend: In the eyes of G-d we are all his children. G-d loves us all the same. The term Jew was not used by G-d to name the people he made the covenant with. Abraham was not a Jew. He was an Ivri, which means from the other side. He circumcised himself to come within the covenant. The term used to describe one who follows G-d's ways is one who does what is right and just to his fellow human and teaches it to his children. The name given by G-d to the people of the covenant was Israel. In English it means the "upright of G-d". That we all have the power to be !
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Joseph Stein,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
As a general rule, one who witnesses one who is breaking Shabbat should:
1. Not find a different way to break Shabbat and violate Shamor.
2. Not be distracted from his own practice of Shabbat and violate Zachor.
If these allegations are true, no matter the accuser, these protesters are breaking #2 by interrupting their oneg to go protest and breaking #1 by destroying property that will need to be repaired. Preparations for Shabbat should be done during the week and if these protests are so important, they should also be done during the week so as not to interrupt Shabbat. Leadership is needed.
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nonjew,sweden,
Thursday Dec 03, 2009
ah, my dear friend akiva Avrohum#58-of course god loves all his children! the trouble is, his children the Ivri are not united;worse,they are fighting amongst each other while the enemy is watching and rubbing his hands with glee...the ancient ivri had a history of going to war and winning.There are those among you who believe absolutely,and those who do not,but they who wish to annihilate the ivri do not care one way or the other.God protect israel.
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Dave, CANADA,
Thursday Dec 03, 2009
Nr. 11, 12, 13- M. Greenberg- Excellent posts.
Have you checked out Karaite Judaism? I am not Karaite but they've got a heck of a lot of good ideas.
I would say they're somewhere between Conservative and Orthodox, but they're Not Rabbinic.
However, they're very traditional.
Look at www.karaitejudaism.org
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akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Thursday Dec 03, 2009
To my friend from Sweden Post #60: I agree with you 100% ! Peace between the Children of Israel is indeed the first step necessary to achieve peace for all G-d's children!
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Piera Prister,
Tuesday Dec 15, 2009
Let us be candid
we like this article but we do not agree with the conclusion which is too harsh.
We hate intolerance regardless of whatever part of the globe is coming from and we are against any rioting, but we do not think that all haredis are responsible for. However this does not mean that we agree if religion degenerates into fanaticism.
There is an exaggeration of haredibashing in the media we condemn, haredis are not our enemy, they are part of Jewish heritage, they are religious, poor and devout.
Lets quote Gershom Sholem, the great scholar of Kabbalah whose books we eagerly read.
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Roddy Frankel,
Tuesday Dec 22, 2009
The American policy of "Separation of Church and State" is a direct response to the abuses of the Church of England during colonial times. Israel does not have anything remotely resembling the Church of England. Your proposed "separation of religion and politics" policy could deny haredi Jews the right to participate in government. That would essentially negate the very reason for having a Jewish State. If you disagree with specific government policies simply because they reflect religious traditions, then propose changes and let the voters decide.
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