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Wednesday May 27, 2009
Silly minister (of justice), tricks are for kids Posted by Rabbi Andrew Sacks
Comments: 16
MK Yaakov Neeman has a long and honored history for his service to the State of Israel. An accomplished attorney - he has served as justice minister and as finance minister. Once again, he occupies the position of Minister of Justice in the Netanyahu government.
Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman PHOTO: Ariel Jerozolimski
Neeman immediately changed the mandate into finding a way to ease the process of conversion within the Orthodox context. He violated the goodwill of the Masorti and the Reform representatives to the committee who were a minority.
Rabbi Yisrael Eichler, a spokesperson in the Haredi world, wrote that "Reform Rabbis are further from Judaism than Christians and Muslims and that they should be considered as filthy, lying, shekotzim who are criminals, who brought about the holocaust on the Jewish people".
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Ilan ISRAEL,
Wednesday May 27, 2009
Neeman has been pulling his shtik for years. Shame on him for his failures in the areas of conversion and his gaul in thinking he can, after all of his mistakes, carry the authority to supply answers.
Netanyahu should wise up.
His disrespect for the non-Orthodox and his misogynism is of a bygone time.
By the way, I can't wait to read the Talkbacks that will surely endorse the negative quotes about the non-Orthodox in this blog.
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avrom,
Wednesday May 27, 2009
Why the hatred toward Conservative and Reform by rabbis who should love all people? If Conservative and Reform have something to offer then the free market place of ideas will prove this.
But as long as the Modern Orthodox fear the Ultra-orthodox and look over their shoulders, then they will never have the courage to act as they need to.
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Teddy Shnur,
Thursday May 28, 2009
From a "non-Orthodox" perspective, which "Orthodox" are not "ultra-Orthodox"? I'm just wondering. Can you name any? Can you name one? Can you name one "Orthodox" person who believes that non-Jewish converts to religions other than traditional Torah Judaism ought to be suddenly recognized as Jews? Please let me know what the difference between "Orthodox" and "ultra-Orthodox" is, because if there is no difference then what can we surmise about usage of the term "ultra-Orthodox"? Is that term a useful description of a subset of the Orthodx world, or just a hammer meant to isolate and insult
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Efraim from Efrat,
Thursday May 28, 2009
There are laws in Judaism and you can't just go around changing them randomly to fit your communities. What has kept the Jewish people strong for the years in exile IS the laws. You can't make a sub-set of Judaism, toss out a bunch of rules and change others to fit your own desires and also complain that you're not accepted by the Orthodox community you love bashing so much.
@Teddy Shnur, normally ultra Orthodox means Haredi, Orthodox means modern orthodox and "yeshivish"
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Kishkeman,
Thursday May 28, 2009
I have an idea in my mind that R. Sacks is going to be sponsoring a tikkun over the chag that will take place in a nonkosher McDonalds with free cheeseburgers for all. He could spend all night faciliating discussions on the importance of upholding all kinds of secular values and movements in Israel. After all in his writings he demands that his version of human rights take root over Torah laws and Jewish traditions in Israel that even a sizable number of people who identify as Masorti would accept as standards in Israel. Like Neeman, Sacks in many cases doesn't stand up for what is right.
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Tzvi/amerikkka,
Thursday May 28, 2009
More of the same old conservative spies spewing hatred towards religious Jews. Too bad conservative leaders dont spend as much time doing kiruv as they spend whining..but I guess the do what their handlers order them to do.
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Cember,
Thursday May 28, 2009
Teddy - #3, The term "ultra-Orthodox" is, a usefull description of a subset of Orthodoxy. Its usual meaning is as a virtual synonym of Haredi, but also includes some of the religiously right wing members of the Orthodox community who do not consider themselves Haredim. It's most useful as a differentiating term as applies to the just-plain-Orthodox. It is the "ultras" who make statements like those attributed to Eichler and Ovadia Yosef, or who issue treasonous Fatwas calling for ZH"L soldiers to mutiny. It is the "ultras" who beat up Arabs working in their fields, not the Orthodox.
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Eric Israel,
Thursday May 28, 2009
It is utterly inconceivable to me that a country that was created for Jews everywhere could adopt a position that Reform and Conservative conversions are valid. How can this possibly be? Ne'eman was incredibly accurate and astute in attempting to find a reasonable solution to the conversion problem, through an altered system. However, there must be a consensus on who is a Jew, and all must agree on every convert. No Conservative or Reform Rabbi would insinuate that an Orthodox conversion is invalid. Therefore, as we already agree on this common denominator, it should remain the standard.
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Eric,
Thursday May 28, 2009
In addition, most Israelis the support any form of Conservative and Reform conversions are not informed about the differences that exist between the Masorti movement in American and in Israel. These differences are profound, and I think that this is part of the reason for the confusion regarding Rabbi Lamm Shlit"a's comments last week. Israeli's are led to believe that Reform conversions authorized by Rabbis that are part of the American reform movement are done with utmost care and attention for Halacha and established practice. However, this is simply untrue!
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Lenore Martin,
Thursday May 28, 2009
Read Rav Kook's Letters-Halakah study alone without addressing the needs of the community will DESTROY judaism and Israel. We must insist that olim be able to convert and the attraction to observance is better than coercion! I am convinced, as a US citizen watching my friends and family that many Jews go through differing levels of observance throughout their lives and we all know that just because someone is not observant right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future. And vice versa. I say let anyone who wants to be a Jew.....CONVERT!
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Cember,
Friday May 29, 2009
The problem is not whom Orthodoxy recognizes as a Jew. As a matter of religion,that should be out of the realm of a gov't that guaranties religious freedom. Rather, since there are civil rights (eg LoR immigration visas, JA services) and obligations in Israel that apply only to those whom the gov't, or the secular Jewish Agency, consider to be Jews, the problem is civil recognition. Religious definitions should be irrelevant. Anyone who declares himself, under oath, to be a Jew, from a civil standpoint, and is ready to accept the obligations, should be recognized by the gov't as such.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Friday Jun 12, 2009
It is difficult to actually accept the author of this blog is as abtuse as he comes across. The author of this blog writes, "But Neeman is a great manipulator. He has a brilliant way of twisting justice to meet his point of view and shunting aside those who have views with which he disagrees. He is a supreme illusionist." How ironic! The author is accurately describing reform and conservative social Jewish groups. These two groups are clearly and irrefutably not the Jewish religion and not anchored in Torah. Yet they spin their spin to pretend they belong and shunt those who disagree.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Friday Jun 12, 2009
Lenore Martin, you wrote, "I say let anyone who wants to be a Jew...CONVERT! " That is exactly the position of the orthodox. Any person who comes to us, to be part of Klal Yisrael in earnest is able to become Jewish. But it is clear that reform and conservative are not the Jewish religion and is not Torah. That is not to say that Jews who belong to these groups are not Jewish, becuase Jews of all beliefs are true Jews. But the organizations are not able to convert people to Judaism any more than The Jewish Baseball League of Long Island is able to convert people. Convert according to Torah.
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Cember,
Thursday Jun 18, 2009
Avrohom,
And just what is your problem with the Jewish Baseball League of Long Island? Isn't being able to bat .400 for a Jewish team enough of a qualification for membership in the Holy Convocation?
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Avrohom - Israel,
Sunday Jun 21, 2009
Cember #14, a .400 batting average would put it slightly higher than then the percentage of halachic Jews in reform Jewish social club. Still not good enough for conversion, but good enough for singing kumbaya and grilling cheeseburgers with bacon. Hey, at least the baseball players cover their heads!
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William,
Friday Jun 26, 2009
Teddy Shnur #3: "What can we surmise about usage of the term "ultra-Orthodox?" The Orthodox world is extremely diverse, including groups who would variously call themselves Modern Orthodox, Litvish or Yeshivish, Chasidish (or by the name of individual groups of Chassidim), Sefardi, or just "mainstream Orthodox" There is no group at all that refers to itself as "ultra-orthodox." This term is used only in the secular world, or by Orthodox Jews referring to those who are significantly more "orthodox".
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