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Wednesday Mar 05, 2008
A-vital Blog: Freedom of expression? Posted by Colette Avital
Comments: 22
In the midst of the tough public debate on what Israel's reaction to the attacks from Gaza should be, Oded Tira (who previously served as Head of Israel's industrialists' Association) published in Ha'aretz (14.2.08) a paid, quarter page length ad attacking one of Israel's most prominent writers and intellectuals - Amos Oz. The reason for Tira's fury: Amoz Oz dared to express his opinion (obviously opposed to Tira's point of view) about the course of action to be taken in Gaza. Since when, writes our good industrialist, can Oz make any such pronouncements - who "gave him the authority, him and his writer friends, to advise the people of Israel on strategic matters"? Perhaps the simplest answer to give Oded Tira - who does not fail to use his army rank, should be: "who exactly gave you the authority to judge Amos Oz?" - Which, of course, only illustrates how problematic such statements can be. In a democracy such as Israel - a democracy I am proud of - every one has the basic right to express his or her opinion, and the public has the right to hear or read a diversity of views before forming an opinion. In addition to the arrogance manifested in refusing a writer the right to express his views on a matter which has heavy moral implications, Oded Tira demonstrates the sad reality we live in - one in which, it is presumed that only the military has the right answers, only the military has a right to think, express and influence the political process in this country. This, according to him, is the prerogative of "Strategists". Perhaps Tira could give us some examples on how successful these strategists have been in the past 60 years in bringing about peace. Rather than preaching to those whose intellectuals baggage and moral authority is well established, I suggest that Mr. Tira begin by listening to other voices, to other alternative courses. After all, any military action entails human loss and it is our children who may pay with their lives. Therefore it is perfectly legitimate to remind us that such actions will neither offer a solution to the Kassam rockets, nor bring about quieter times. Oops! I am now risking to be reprimanded by our Mr. Tira who will not fail to remind me that I am no strategist either. Strategist or not, I must state, based on my knowledge and past experience, that in the end cease-fires have been achieved only through political means. One last thing, Mr. Tira: Terming these writers as "galutim" (behaving like in the galut) is utter chutzpah, it is vulgar demagoguery, and reminds all of us of days when we heard that one cannot voice criticism because what will the goim or our enemies say? So my advice to Tira is this: stick to what you know best, and stop publishing ads that deal with one issue you obviously don't know much about - democracy.
1 | Ignacio, Spain, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
I would personally suggest Mrs. Avital in particular and UK Labor in general to clear her/ its record before speaking. Isn't the United Kingdom the place you can't speak about Islamic terror, and you have to follow a manuscript by the government speaking about "international terror"? It seems that the first ones in curtailing the freedom of speech of millions of Britons are the Laborites themselves. Also, would you be please so kind as to explain to me why British occupation of Spanish soil (Gibraltar) does not cause any riots so far?
2 | Gil J. Yashar, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
MK Collette Avital writes a whole article explaining to us and to Oded Tira that everyone, including Amos Oz has a right to "freedom of expression" since Israel is a democracy only to finish it with advice to Tira TO NOT EXPRESS HIS OPINION and to "stop publishing ads that deal with one issue you obviously don't know much about - democracy." She is probably too arrogant to see the irony.
3 | Gil J. Yashar, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
"After all, any military action entails human loss and it is our children who may pay with their lives. Therefore it is perfectly legitimate to remind us that such actions will neither offer a solution to the Kassam rockets, nor bring about quieter times. " That is your opinion, Collette. One may argue alternatively that lack of military action may cause unnecessary loss of life. It is legitimate to opine that such military action, however distasteful, may be preferable to negotiations in the face of rocket and other attacks, since passivity and negotiations may encourage bolder attacks.
4 | Gil J. Yashar, Beit Shemesh, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
"Strategist or not, I must state, based on my knowledge and past experience, that in the end cease-fires have been achieved only through political means."
Then were you not involved in the Yom Kippur and Six Day Wars? Those military campaigns achieved cease-fires, if not diplomatic recognition or a peace treaty. It is nonsense to say that cease-fires have been achieved only through political means. History (which your friend Peres scorns) is replete with examples showing the opposite, including cease-fires achieved with Germany and Japan by the US in WW2 through military means.
5 | Gil J. Yashar, Beit Shemesh, Israel, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
"..stop publishing ads that deal with one issue you obviously don't know much about - democracy."
I think that Colette Avital, and many other Israeli liberals and leftists, mistaken "democracy" for "liberalism". Democracy is meant to contain many points of view, including right-wing and conservative ones. As long as the points of view do not include doing away with freedom of speech, assembly and the right to vote.
6 | Duane Broxson Milton Florida U.S., Thursday Mar 06, 2008
War is the ultimate politick. Power politics is the problem. War is sometimes necessary. Compassion is always necessary and it should be allowed to speak freely because it is the real healer of the wounds of discord. Pour your heart out to the ones you are forced to subdue. Teach your children to love them and not hate them, no matter how difficult, and one day they will love you to.
7 | Tzvi usa, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
Everyone in Israel has the right of freedom of expression Right Ms Avital?
OOPS! I mean everyone but the KACH party
8 | JJ, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
As the French say, ote-toi de la que je m'y mette. Avital is doing the same thing to Tira that she is criticizing Tira for doing to Oz. Amazing how self-absorbed these politicians must be to not even realize how ridiculous it is.
9 | Marsha, sitting at her desk, Thursday Mar 06, 2008
I can't imagine a more screwed up version of democracy wherein Kach, which wanted Israel to be a Jewish state, is outlawed, and arabs who openly support terrorists are allowed to sit in the government. Here in the US we call that treason and it's punishable by death. As I write this, 10 yeshiva students are dead. Collette, do world Jewry in general and Israeli Jews in particular a big favor and resign, and take your like-minded liberals with you before you do any further damage.
10 | Kelly-Israel, Friday Mar 07, 2008
What is th point of commenting to this blog when the replies to comment are not bublished?
So, I will just leave it at that until you have more time availble.You seem inundated,and yet I have only seen just s few.
Good luck and goodnight
11 | NHF, Friday Mar 07, 2008
Ignacio (#1), you are a little confused... just to clarify that Colette Avital is from the Israeli Labor Party, not the British Labor Party. It is totally different, so making analogies in British politics is not relevant. I agree with some of your views on England, but Avital is not the one to discuss UK politics with...
12 | NHF, Friday Mar 07, 2008
PS I disagree with Gil entirely. Avital did a very good job of stating her case and was completely in-line in her opinion on free speech in the State of Israel. She may not agree with her rival, and as an Israeli citizen I don't agree with every one of her views, but we can hardly discount the views of a great contributor to Israeli society such as Amoz Oz. He certainly has at least as much right to speak on issues influencing his country as anyone else. P.S. Gil- you should think about getting your own column so that you don't take up all of the space on the page on your own...
13 | Eileen Goldblatt, USA, Friday Mar 07, 2008
Israel is a democracy but one that still has limited "freedom of expressions". Although I may not personally support a Kahane group or a communist party, I certainly would not ban any organization in a country. Israel cannot fear freedom of expression from any group or limit discussion. As a U.S. citizen we understand that listening to objective opinions can be frustrating at times but they must be allowed. It is sad when I hear about slander suits in your courts when leftist liberals are offended. You are a young democracy and need to be very careful with any speech restrictions.
14 | Leah, Saturday Mar 08, 2008
Usrael is not a Democracy, in a Democracy there is a Constitution, A Bill of Rights and Free Specch. Since the state of Israel has not formed a Constitution to protect ALL of it;s citizens, since it has not adopted a Bill of RIghts insuring that all CItizens are given status and since most of the published word is Israel is subjected to Rabbinic Approval it is far fetched to even consider that Israel is a Democracy! Not to mention the fact that Israel doesn't seem to want to seperate Church and state and therefor is and will remail a state in stillbirth.
15 | Leonard Axelrod, Saturday Mar 08, 2008
MK Avital knows only too well what negotiations have gotten us. If she believes that our negotiators are like snake charmers who can stop the cobra from bitting, she is saddly mistaken. We negotiated away Gaza and instead of appreciation we recieved rockets on our population. The deep seated hatred of the Jews taking up Moslem holy land cannot be done away with diplomacy and personal contacts. We can not face reality with what we would like it to be, but with the truth.
16 | Leonard Axelrod, Saturday Mar 08, 2008
To continue:The average Moslem hates our guts and wants us either dead or gone from their mist. The only reason they dont finish the job the Nazis started is the IDF. We don't need their permission to live, but we do need their fear of our retaliation for them to leave us alone. Once that fact sinks into the heads of our so called liberals we may achieve lasting peace.
17 | howiej, NJ/USA, Saturday Mar 08, 2008
It seems that democracy is the advocating of positions that fit in with Colette's philosophy. It would be amusing if it were not tragic to read that one may express opinions in line with the left wing and it is democracy in action, as opposed to views in opposition. What great accomplishments were realized by those in Colette's Camp. Oslo? The disengagement? The putting forward of Abbas and Fatah as moderates? She is quick to condemn a military officer opposed to her views but not the opposite.
18 | Sam Person, Saturday Mar 08, 2008
Pray tell, how does talk with those who seek to kill without regard to how they do it achieve peace?
Rocket fire into Israel is, indeed, hard to stop. But, it will not be done by talking. The terrorists will never yield to anything but the sheer demonstration of power.
For those who forget, World War II ended with unconditional surrender by Germany and Japan - brought about after a clear victory.
Peace will come to Israel only when it demonstrates the full force at its disposal, and ignore world opinion - which will never sympathize with it in any case.
19 | Shep Fargotstein - Memphis, TN, Sunday Mar 09, 2008
Israeli military strategists have not "failed" to find a peaceful solution to the Arab/Israeli conflict because it takes both sides to make a solution work.
The Israelis will NEVER be able to find a solution to the conflict - on their own - unless they all pack their bags and leave Israel.
What Ms. Avital's article is doing is an age old Jewish custom: When there is "relative tranquility" Israelis tend to argue among themselves over triviel matters. When there is war, they forget their differences and taked care of business. With that said, it's time to take care "of business".
20 | Elliott, the Settlement of Petah Tikva, Sunday Mar 09, 2008
Dear Ms. Avital,
Two points:
1) Do you read the comments on your blog site? If not, them the site is an ABSOLUTE waste of time.
2) Do you remember my e-mail to you, from about 5 years ago?
I asked you for a current copy of the FATAH/PLO Convention,which at the time still stated their intention to destroy Israel.
I'M STILL WAITING.
When you find it, you can publish it here on your Blog Site.
21 | Anat, USA, Thursday Mar 27, 2008
I wish that more of Israel's social activist inclined intellectuals, e.g. writers, artists and film makers, and even musicians and actors, would lend their voices to the high decibel debate that fills the pages of Israeli newspapers and websites. At least their arguments, on all sides of each issue, would be more articulate than many I see here. By the way, it's time to realize that not all American Jews have a "galut" mentality--many Israelis now call the US home and vice versa.
22 | Renny, Israel, Thursday Mar 27, 2008
Strange i have neve heard of you Mr. Tria, but t. But hen i don't suppose you are as famous as Mr. Oz is, so it doesn't bother me what you write. You obviously have moneyh as other-wise you couldn't afford to pay for such a big advertisement. But that doesn't mean what you say is any more important as what Mr. Oz has to say. The fact that he is a writer doesn't mean he doesn't understand military tactics. Anyway I hope Amos Oz will go on criticising what goes on in my country as it is his right, like any cicitizen, even if no one agrees with it.
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