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Sunday Nov 01, 2009
Window on Israel: Why the stalemate? Posted by Ira Sharkansky
Comments: 14
Headline in Friday's Ha'aretz: "Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas] is losing hope: 'I sense that Netanyahu has not changed since 1996'"
Israel can live well enough without solving the problem of Palestine. The Palestinians may pride themselves in their willingness to die for their national cause, but they have committed national suicide. There will be no Palestinian state as long as key factions persist with the dreams of turning back the clock to 1967, to 1947, or to the mid-19th century before Jews began coming to this area.
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David US,
Sunday Nov 01, 2009
Re 1) "Gazans living amid rubble - Israel will not open " TRUE. Re 2) "Israel can live well enough without solving the problem of Palestine.." FOR HOW LONG ?? Re 3) "Netanyahu has changed since 1996. He appears wiser...for moving forward with a peace process" FALSE. Same demagogue - moving backward. Re 4) "Several things are contributing to the stalemate.The Goldstone Report is one of them .." Goldstone has ZERO to do with the issue. Re 5) "why should Israel be generous.." Israel has been generous? :):) Re 6)"international organizations and others distort reality". HOW do YOU know that ??
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Allen F USA,
Sunday Nov 01, 2009
For 4000 years of Judasim, the first monotheistic religion, the Jewish people have gotten a kick in tuchas from the world. After all, we did the crime of giving God, The Ten Commandments, Jesus, and Allah to the world..(where did Islam get Allah..from the eskimos?). Thus Islam thinks it is the "New Chosen"..It can't stand the fact that Jews control Jerusalem..their third Holiest City. Mecca and Medina are not enough..I guess..but it begs the question..do the Jihadi Islamists want NY, Paris and London too?
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Face reality, Talk of 'negotiations' is fruitless. Since Israel's resurrection in 1947, it has brought Oslo and an Intifada, Kassams from Gaza, SCUDS from Iraq, Katushyas from Lebanon, hudnas with egypt and Jordan (only a fool would call it Peace), continuous acts of war from UN signatories (in vilolation of the UN Charter). Perhaps Israel needs to apply the International principles of dhimmi, ghetto and shtetl, until such time as its sworn enemies beg for mercy. I have many non-violent suggestions, too many for the space given in this 'Talkback'.
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Ricardo - USA,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
I don't think that talking about a stalemate is appropriate at this time. The overwhelming hypocrisy from the muslim world as they are 'disturbing the peace' on a global scale proves that their talk is not only reliable, but criminal. Their constant hate speech and slander and human rights violations are not being dealt with. Why??? Because it is nurtured in their own countries by a program called Islam. 900,000,000 dollars was sent to gaza for human aid and what did we get. A goldstoner report and gazan stooges yelling 'death to Israel'. No accountability says the money should be refunded.
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Enquiring mind,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Gaza also has borders with Egypt, are those borders closed or open? Something we cannot learn from the moribund (formerly mainstream) media.
Gazans do a lot of whinging, but can they not leave, bring in supplies etc. from Egypt?
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Colin Bradley DK,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
This is a strange and not very coherent blog Ira. I hope you can clarify it a little. One of your salient points seems to be that any sort of peace process is going to take flexibility and willingness to compromise, yet at the same time you also seem to be saying that Israel doesn't need to show anything of the kind before Palestine does (presumably because you believe there's a huge credit built up in Israel's goodwill account from past negotiations) and then you seem to hint that even if Palestine does come up with something Israel can easily afford to ignore it anyway.
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Colin Bradley DK,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Another point is the 'problem of Iran'. Excuse me? Is that the Palestinians responsibility to solve that problem? You really don't seem to have anything constructive to say at all. If any of this message is at all intended for the outside world then it seems it could be summed up in two words. "Screw you." This makes me rather sad. This is not the Israel I once knew.
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Martin Munitz, USA,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Stop the settlement expansion and then see what happens. Withdraw from the settlements and then see what happens. You don't need this land and the only real purpose it serves is to fan the flames. Isreal needs to take this giant step.
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Shlomo Israel,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Martin:
Go to a high building, stand on the ledge, and take one giant step forward. A leap of faith, so be it. See what happens. You may even fly with it.
For many, setlements are home. Part of the land of Israel that Jews have been praying for thousands of years for. Don't think for a minute that you can suggest that we who live in Israel do your bidding.
As for the negotiations. Better to put them on hold than to progressively worsen our position through unilateral retreats. There are lots to talk about and better to keep the cards in our hands for now.
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Eric Shorr, Israel,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Martin, the settlement expansion and settlers were withdrawn from Gaza and look what happened. I doubt that Palestinians really want peace.
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R willer London,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
Israel cannot hope to live indefinitely in a state of non-peace. Do you really want your children and grandchildren to live in anxiety and fear and for what? is there anyone who still believes that divine grant is a root of title to land? No system of law, national or international, accepts such an idiotic proposition. Perhaps I should consider moving out of my home in central London if a Druid says his Welsh ancestors were promised it by their creator. Give up the West Bank and the West will back you.
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Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
There are many parts to this stalemate, first over half of Israel has given up on peace deal and now believe that removing Palestinian then settling the land is the only solution also many believe land is needed for foreign Jews.
Second over half of people living in Gaza are children of refugees from Israel and own little or no land in Gaza, their main goal is to return to the land of their parents and grandparents, not a 2 state solution.
Third is the main goal of the PA is keeping the W. Bank for a state of Palestine but they also have alot of refugees living in overcrowded camps.
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Ray Saperstein, Baltimore, USA,
Monday Nov 02, 2009
To Martim #8 - we've already seen what happens when Israel withdraws. In case you didn't notice, Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon and Gaza. What did they get in return? More rockets. Why not direct some suggestions to the Palestinians? Stop the terrorism and then see what happens. Stop teaching your children to hate, and then see what happens. Stop the incitement, and then see what happens. Stop refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and then see what happens.
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Chris USA,
Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Dear Ira, what does your grumbling accomplish? Can you turn one hair on your head gray with this pointless criticism? Solutions begin with the awareness of what is possible. You seem ignorant of the dangers facing Israel if it does nothing. Unlike the PA who have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing nothing, Israel risks everything by its inaction. There is a clock ticking down the minutes of Israel's life. Will you save it? Will your blind criticism evaporate the enemies of Israel like smoke? I certainly hope so, because I see great anguish and suffering ahead if we do not change.
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