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Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Window on Israel: Israeli Arabs live better than US minorities Posted by Ira Sharkansky
Comments: 26
It is common to hear that Israel treats its Arab minority poorly, and treats the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza worse. Jimmy Carter limited his description of "apartheid" to the West Bank and Gaza, but others have applied it to Israel. Jewish leftists from Israel and elsewhere are leading some of the tunes, and joining others as a chorus. They along with Israeli Arabs deny any responsibility for the fate that befell them, and cling to a sense of having a monopoly of justice. Instead of accepting a decent offer in the summer and fall of 2000, Palestinians embarked on an intifada. Rather than accept as a partial success the withdrawal of settlements from Gaza, they persisted in rocket attacks. These responses have earned them the deepened distrust of Israelis, and helped produce a government that is not inclined to offer the same deals as its predecessors. It will not be easy for Israeli Arabs and Palestinians to stop languishing in their tales of suffering, and pursue benefits. The shift may elude yet additional generations. Until it happens, Jews as well as Arabs will suffer.
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Observer - Israel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
There is a lot of noise lately about how deprived the Palestinians are, how they are denied the services available to Jews. For example, one young woman lived with relatives in TA while studying. When she got her degree, she went back home to her village, and started complaining that there were no jobs for her there. Well, the situation is the same in the little town in the Negev where I live. It was the same where I lived in the US, as well. This is all a lot of nonsense.
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zyb,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
shameless propaganda
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Jay - USA,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
How do Arabs learn to "play within the system" when the "system" is represented, at the highest level, by separatists like Lieberman?...Saying the "Lord's Prayer" falls well short of requesting that the country be recognized as a particular religious state...There's little comparison with US in this regard.. Unfortunately the theory that it's "their own fault" is the all too familiar scapegoat used by majority when minorities can't get equal protection under the law. It's up to Israel's "majority" to facilitate an envirnoment that promotes equality for those who are at disadvantage.
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Tomer Israel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
What about how the Arab countries treat there people? I'm sure if you would think of comparing the quality of life between Israel and the Arab nations people would think about things differently. But is it because Israel is a free state that the world can criticize the treatment of minorities or even there own people and the other countries in the area that are led by dictatorship free to do what ever they want or am i missing something?
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Miles USA,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
To Jay #3 - You're missing some critical subtleties. In the Israeli context, "Jewish" has evolved into a nationality- as applies to Israel. Jewish in Israel isn't synonymous w/ organized religion. On average, Jews in Israel are less religious than Jews in the US. In Israel kippahs worn by males- in a profusion of colors unlike the standard US black-issue- are more analogous to guys in the US wearing baseball caps- much more national-hat than religious. At Tel Aviv U hung out w/ a dorm living Arab Israeli medical student-Arabs have identical educ. grants & legal rights as do Jewish Israelis.
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Jozef, USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Discrimination against the Arab minority in Israel is rampant, especially i the areas of housing and allocating state funds for education. Arab graduates from Israeli universities find it difficult to find jobs. The ultimate difference between the USA and Israel lies in the respective constitutional orders: The USA is based on the principle of citizenship. Israel is still the XIXth century Volksstaat. So in Israel minorities are inherently a suspicious nuisance, while in the USA they are first and foremost citizens. Which explains why there is a minority President of the United Staet
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Chris USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
First Israel must control the medium of communications. Until then everything they do is merely reactionary. When I hear the term "jewish racism" from an arab, the first thing that comes to my mind is they mean "jewish response to arab racism".
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Vadim,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Jay, Miles
Being Jewish is more than just practicing certain religion or being a citizen of Israel. We are talking here also about certain ethnic groups that originated in Eretz Israel several thousands years ago, and we are talking about a very unique culture that these groups maintained and developed during the thousands of years, even in exile. Some great representatives of Jewish culture, such as Einstein or Freud had indeed very little to do with religion.
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Terry - Eilat, Israel,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
And, should there ever be an independant Palestinian state, however unlikely that would be, we will have the phenomenon of irredentism - calls for a bi-national state will increase, they will want ''family unification'' code for unlimited Arab immigration into Israel, they will want open borders, there will be no end to demands, including autonomy for areas within Israel where they are a majority. This is not in any way a situation where a minority wants to integrate into the larger society - they want to replace the larger society which, in their eyes, is illegitimate.
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U.M., Finland,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
To Jozef, USA: The Arab minority in Israel is being treated very well - they have the same opportunities as their Jewish neighbours. In education, in politics. If only they want to use these oppurtunities and if only they do not believe in confrontation with the Jewish state. Foreign intervention has created this confrontation; some Arabs believe the western anti-Semitic propaganda. In the USA, a large part of the black population is doing time in the American gulag. For minor thefts etc. America is not free for the black minority. The Jewish minority is being harassed by the state.
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Shlomo Israel,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Jozef, your evidently have been fed a diet of lies and have decided to regutiatate what you have been fed. First and foremost, the Arab minority have large families and low participation in the workforce. It is very expensive to "provide" equal services when their population increases so fast. It is also arguably, the responsibility of the Arab community to support themselves, including doing more to create jobs for their own graduates. Instead, they Arabs look towards the State to give them a free ride, without consideration the fact that most Israeli citizens serve in the army.
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simon london,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
according to recent polls.( as reported in the J Post and the Times) over 80% of Israeli Arabs do not want to be Palestinian citizens but wish to remain citizens of Israel citing the benefits and rights they receive ie health housing education etc. This will make an administrative swap of sovereingty of Arab towns difficult if not impossible and of course puts paid to the 'racist apartide ' blah
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Sam D USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Oh Yeah...Israeli Arabs have it so bad... oh yeah...I dont see them running away from Israel to Jordan, West Bank, Gaza , Egypt, Saudi arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, and Ethiopia ..( a reverse magic carpet). How about Tunisia, Algeria, Morroco, Dubbai, Qatar, or best of all the Sahara desert!The Israeli arabs have it better than any other Arabs in all of Arabia and Africa. Maybe except those rich arab oil sheiks who would rather gamble in Monte Carlo and whore in Paris and dont give a damn about their poorer arab brethern.
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julie,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Equality comes out of the end of a pocketbook in most countries. It is influenced by education, laws that are just and unjust, and personal drive. In America, most Arabs do above average. Arabs don't sweep the streets,. They are doctors, business people, and educators. You put them in their own country or in Israel they have unjust laws which hold them back. I agree their own regimes are nothing to be proud of. And yet, I find many Israel commentators happy enough to compare their country to Arab countries rather than reaching up to a higher standard like in the U.S or Canada.
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Roz-USA,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
Terry is correct-the world will scream that a Palestinian state (w.bank espec.) is landlocked and its inhabitants "jailed" by the Israeli govt. Wait for complaints about how Israelis are using too much water, polluting the Palestinian's water and air, etc. And when they start attacking us, of course any road connecting the 2 Pal. sections will be closed, and the foreign press will scream even louder. A lose/lose situation for us Jews. The only consolation to that scenario is that the leftist Israelis will finally realize, too late, how stupid they were.
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Garry USA,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
Truman gave the zionist property that he had no right to give to them. If the "Jewish State" wants to be lagit they need to pay the Palestinians for the lands that were stolen. In America our government sends our tax monies to Israel, Billions! What do you do with it ? You hate your brothers, by treating them as sub-human. When you say that you are the chosen people, your, what, better than everyone else? You have become what you hate! Let go of your Hate for all Arabs and treat them with dignity and respect and you will get the same in return. Freedom from religon is what makes America free.
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Nurah of Jerusalem,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
This article truly reflects the arogance that is held in the Jewish community around the world. It is easy to blame the Arabs for everything, but this is not how peace is brought into existence. True peace comes with true responsibilities for ones own actions. Both parties have played major roles int he current situation, the only reason why the Arabs are living in worse conditions than the Jews, for the most part is because they lost. If the Jews lost in 1948, it would be a familar story only Jews would be in refugee camps in Jenin instead of Arabs.
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Jozef, USA,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
Shlomo: Alas, you are trapped in the Volkstaat narrative. Othodox Jews have laeger families than Arabs and they enjoy not only thefull state support, but exercise hegemony over religious and some secular matters in Israel. the family size is not the issue. The ethnicity is.
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David W. Lincoln, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
The closing of this piece is "on the beam". How then to dislodge those who are still in leading positions
in Arab society? Co-operation by those who will be calling the shots after those who are currently calling the shots, are dislodged.
The schools, the Mosques, the media, and ultimately the seat of government have to be cleaned, like the Augean stables. It will take time, and work, but it will be worth it.
So, how to clean the Augean stables? Preparatory regimes. Check pages 28 - 31 of The Lost Crusade: America in Vietnam, by Chester L. Cooper, for starters.
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Roddy Frankel,
Wednesday Jul 01, 2009
"Palestinians hold onto keys to doors that no longer exist"
This is a common propaganda tool that is often a lie. As Jordan's Queen Noor admitted in her autobiography, she often visited Arab markets where hundreds of replicas of these fabled keys were sold as souvenirs. Just because someone shows you a key, you don't have to believe he is a refugee.
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Miles USA,
Wednesday Jul 01, 2009
Garry - don't know what planet you're writing from-Truman didn't "give" the Jews a damn thing. Truman embargoed ALL weapons to the Jews when they were attacked by 7 countries simultaneously in what became Israel's war of independence. The people you regard as "Palestinian people" numbered 140,000 in the 1880's and grew to well over a million by the 1940's-a 10 fold increase in 60 yrs-NOT by natural selection but by in-migration from surrnding Arab lands. Check out Arab/Muslim "dhimmi" laws in the M. East which subjugated all non-Muslims to 2nd class citizenship. Your perceptions are backwards.
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Miles,
Wednesday Jul 01, 2009
Problem is, Nurah, the Jews didn't put Arabs in refugee camps- or cause them to be refugees. In fact, the Jews formally accepted UN Res. 181 which would have created 2 states along w/ 181's built-in structure for an economic union between a Jewish and Arab state. On the eve of the attacking Arab armies in '48 local mullahs successfully got local Arab populations to clear a "victory" path. I've had this corroborated by someone I met who grew up in Lebanon. Many Jews actually urged their Arab neighbors to stay. There's no evidence/documentation of Jews- expelling Arabs. Take responsibility.
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Kathy- Kearney, Nebraska, USA,
Wednesday Jul 01, 2009
#16- Garry USA- you sound very bitter. you ask what does Israel do with the monies received from the USA? try repairing the damages that is inflicted on them by their 'good neighbors'! and, then, of course, THEY (unlike their neighbors) do do GOOD with it. they help others. you sir, need to get over your issues. stop thinking that it is "all about" poor poor me, and try doing as Israel does, thinking and helping others.
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dino-ashkelon,
Friday Jul 03, 2009
shameless propaganda.doing so low level propaganda Israeli's publicists manifest an incredible callousness and put Israel in a more unfavorable light and they could not convince people from the entire world which so kind of arguments.They can convince people from Israel but they are convinced from advance,from the first year in a classroom.
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Joe - USA,
Thursday Jul 30, 2009
Far to often, it's the majority claiming there's no problem with the way they treat minorities. This op-ed is highly suspect, since it fails to include a real minority viewpoint. I think Zionism has a serious problem in providing for equal rights and justice for non-Jews. If Israel were a true democracy, it would be far better off. At least then a one state solution might fly. As it is, it seems the settlements are more an issue of squatters rights with more and more land grabbing with a hope that the non-Jews will immigrate to Antarctica.
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Roddy Frankel,
Sunday Sep 13, 2009
Don't be fooled by those rusty old keys being worn by Arabs. Even Queen Noor of Jordan wrote in her autobiography that replicas of these keys are sold in every Arab market throughout Jordan. These keys are cheep forgeries. They are no substitute for valid legal documents proving land ownership. If Arabs want to claim land in Israel, they must make their cases in court, and not with cheep publicity stunts in front of gullible photojournalists.
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