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Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Window on Israel: I am not anti-America, but... Posted by Ira Sharkansky
Comments: 22
Mahmoud Abbas has a new demand of the United States: to order the immediate removal of the security barrier being built between Palestinian areas of the West Bank and Israel. According to Abbas, the barrier is standing in the way of the peace process. On account of an end to the violence, he claims, it is unnecessary.
That is like a cancer patient telling his physician that he can stop chemotherapy because he is having a good day. It is not possible at this time to predict whether Israel's security barrier will have a life that is shorter or longer than the Berlin Wall, the Great Wall of China, or the various barriers that the United States is building between itself and Mexico. It is one of the things that is working against Palestinian violence, and will remain for some time. I see a section being built about a mile from my balcony. Abbas' latest call is one more indication that the Palestinian Authority is not a credible actor in international politics. It may be good enough to remove from Israel any responsibility for providing services to the Palestinians of the West Bank, and to be coddled by American contractors and Israel security personnel who help it against Palestinian ruffians and Hamas. But as a partner in negotiations? It does nothing but repeat the litanies heard since Arafat, without the give and take that is the essence of negotiation. Since it has been shut out of Gaza, it represents no more than one half of Palestine. Only the deluded or the innocent can believe that gestures from Israel will get the peace process rolling. Currently Americans and others say that Israel should stop settlement activity in the West Bank, including neighborhoods of Jerusalem. If they accept the demand of Abbas and include the dismantling of the security barrier as another precondition to negotiations, we surely will have arrived at Neverland. Jewish friends accuse me of being anti-American. A fair reading of what I write would place me within the range of Americans who criticize the American administration. No doubt my perspectives have been shaped by living outside the United States for half my life. The last time I voted in an American election was 1972, for Richard Nixon. I would do it again, with all we have learned about him since then, if George McGovern was still his opponent. Barack Obama strikes me as a McGovern of the 21st century. So was George W. Bush. McGovern was a decent man who was naive about conditions that prevailed during the early 1970s. Obama and Bush share a naive arrogance about their capacity to remake the region from the Middle East to Pakistan. I still think of myself as an American as well as an Israeli, and insist on my rights as an occasional critic of both governments. For the United States, I hope that it does not kill more of its own troops or the locals before downsizing its aspirations. Obama may have done that for Iraq, but he has up-sized those for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Israel will make some gestures in the American direction. Early signs are that it is more difficult to get building permits in areas deemed sensitive. Settler organizations are mounting their campaign, along with Netanyahu and other ministers, against the extremity of demands coming from Washington. Some American officials are saying that they may have gone too far in their demands of the Israelis, and should wait for something from the Palestinians. To me, that says that the surge in activity will peter out with a few more visits by George Mitchell or other underlings.
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Jonah in Jamaica,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Political negotiations on ultimate issues starts with ALL Palestinian groups recogniizing that Israel is a Jewish state.Absent that there is nothing to negotiate.
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J. Benjamin,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
While there is no question about the current effectiveness of the security barrier, I cannot help but be reminded of General George Patton's comment: Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man. We will have to wait and see if the Israeli experiment is an exception to this adage.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
I do not give Obama the benefit of naievete, not in the least. He is no more naive than Chavez, and his latest support for the Honduran would be president for life is another indication of the true Obama. Patton was only partly correct, fixed fortifications need a strong roof, and surrounding support. By themselves they are relatively ineffective, but with support, they are very effective. The Maginot Line was an instance of the un-supported. Rabaul, Truk, the Siegfried Line, were quite effective until their roofs were destroyed.
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Mei Fauck,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
You can't compare that wall which at times separates families from one another to America's non-existent border to Mexico, which thousands of illegals flow through daily.
Plus, the average American knows these Mexicans are just coming over here to improve their lives. How does the average Israeli treat the Palestinian?
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robert fay usa,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
as a christin i support israel obama is the first president that does not he is a muslim the arabs own nothing as god almighty gave this land to the jewish people not the arab land squaters long live the jewish nation from me a strong supporter of israel
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Jan, Australia,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
It is to be suspected that Israel will need a better reason that a complaint by Abbas to take down the wall ('complaint' because it's not what he said but what is behind what is said). A good reason would be annihilation of any offensive ability of the adjacent population. In the past this has been achieved by war (started by the adjacent populations). In any case the wall will come down in this generation (according to the Hebrew prophets), but only when Israel can dwell securely. It may take a Wall to show Abbas his people's interest is peace, or it may be the catalyst for another war.
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pub,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
You are the epitome of the egotistical nasty Isreali/American. No one is as smart as you. No one could please you because they're all stupid -- except for you and your Israelis. Please stay in Israel. You are the kind of Israeli that makes the average nonJewish American just want to leave everyone in the Middle East to work out their own problems without them. Yuck.
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mireille mechoullam usa,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
I am sick and tired of the USA demands from Israel, a sovereigh state. Maybe Israel should demand from the USA to stop building a barrier on the border with Mexico? No country has the right to dictate another country when it comes to security. period
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Esav Benyamin U*S*A,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
Patton said that in regard to an active war. When Israeli troops are actually fighting, fences behind them are irrelevant. But in this relative peacetime, the barrier -- which is not a fortification -- is a screen against lower level violence. I myself wonder how long Israel is supposed to screen out intruders, before deciding that the Arabs will never negotiate in good faith. At that point, expulsion of non-citizen Arabs from Eretz Yisrael becomes the answer.
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jonathan,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
#2
We will have to wait and see if the Israeli experiment is an exception to this adage.
Pray tell sir, which current fixed fortifications do you have in mind that are not an exception? And as fixed fortifications between countries who do not share a border may often take a different form, maybe your take on things should mean the USA can remove their homeland security barrier.
I think the Israelis have seen the barrier works, this is apparent, the experiment does work. Maybe it should now be taken down so you can see what happens then?
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Amerisrael USA,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
As an American citizen I praise my government when it does right. Criticise it, and make strong protest when it doesn't do right. That's true freedom and democracy, to have the right to disent and make our voice heard. That is not anti-American. An example of being anti-American are the Islamists in my country, who are also citizens, working to advance Islam which is counter to our Judeo/Chritian heritage. Many of the current policies of the Obama Administration and State Dept. are anti-American and detrimental to our closest ally Israel.
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Jonah in Jamaica,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
Another example that good fences make for good neighbors. Is there any doubt that the wall has saved numerous lives? When Abbas recognizes that Israel is a Jewish state, when there is a well governed Palestinian entity, when sufficient time has passed without violence, when, when, when...we can start to slowly dismantle the fence. Any takers on the Arab side? Just what I thought.
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Chubbarow,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
To #8 mireille mechoullam - Have you never heard the saying "He who pays the piper calls the tune"? As Israel would find it hard to exist without a constant chemotherapy transfusion of dollars from the USA it seems sensible for the patient to listen to their Doctor.
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william,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
i am an american...... i love my country and the people,, stupid, as they can be. this country has no right to do what they do. our fathers that wrote the constitution would throw up on obama and washingtons front porch. money runs this world,, not compassion. obama is an idiot, just as bad as bush was. israel needs to make their descisions and implement them. i cannot for the life of me ,, understand why this whole world doesn't understand that the palestinian state is a farce,, created to do evil. any moderately educated person understands that israel belongs the jews. period.
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John R. NYC USA,
Saturday Jul 25, 2009
I agree it is premature to dismantle the security barrier but there is a problem under international law when it crosses the green line. Even your own supreme court has a problem when it is built on private Palestinian land. Right of Return should be bought from the Palestinians under terms similar to the 1995 unpublished accord between Mahmood Abbas and Yossi Beilin. East Jerusalem cannot be unilaterally be annexed by Israel because that or future apartheid will invite a total economic boycott by the entire world. Judgment,not emotion, must be your guide.
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joe and california,
Saturday Jul 25, 2009
I guess if world court ruling's don't matter, which they don't to either the Israeli government or the U.S., then yes, leave the wall up. If you don't care about peace and a serious two state solution, keep building settlements. Again, this isn't hard for the U.S. government or the Israeli government, because there essentially rogue states who don't care about the U.N. or international law unless it just happens to coincide with what there doing. Anyone who can say they'd still vote for the most criminal U.S. administration in history has a lot of growing up to do.
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Gábor Fränkl,
Saturday Jul 25, 2009
"UN", "international law" - where do you live? These are political concepts which have absolutely nothing to do whatsoever to fairness, justice and balance, because they have been totally discredited themselves - due to the far-left brainwashing campaign. You can thank them that.
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Walkker J USA,
Saturday Jul 25, 2009
The USA Govt thinks it can solve every problem...well it can't. We in the USA went thousands of miles to fight the same mammzers israel is fighting. It's calle Wahabbi , Taliban Islam. They did 9/11 and many many other terrorists acts agaisnt Israel, the USA and Europe and Indonesisa...did I miss anybody..I'm sure i did. Pres obama I dont think u are a muslim thats silly...but you sure dont understand the jihadi mind. These monsters of religion want to control not only Jerusalem, NY Paris, LA, London and all free lands! They declared war already..we havent ..not yet!
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Jon, USA,
Saturday Jul 25, 2009
To Mei (#4) A lot better than the average Palestinian would and have treated an Israeli.
The "Right of return" should be granted to all Palestinians who moved away from Israel after its modern day rebirth... just as soon as the "the right of return" is granted to all Jews from every country they were kicked out out of, including every Arab country. I mean, fair is fair.
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Ronald USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
I am a Jewish American citizen who yields to no one when it comes to love of my country. Since when is well-reasoned criticism of US foreign policy considered anti-American? This charge strikes me as pure nonsense and to a certain extent - anti-semitic. Obama has a POLICY toward the Middle East. It is not the Torah. It is not divinely inspired and altogether true. It is certainly within the normal parameters of policy debate to question the experience of Obama's policy team on Middle East issues and the wisdom of the initiatives that have been taken so far.
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Kurt USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Who are we to tell Israel what to do with there land. Let's remember Obama's back ground. He is a community organizer. Had a Muslem father. I did not vote for him because of what I feel his true intentions are for Isreal. Israel belongs to the Jews, no one else, and there should be no reason for the Jewish Nation to give any land for peace. It belongs to them alone. God gave it to them and He did not intend for them to give it away. Israel you are in my prayers.
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Hunter - Sulphur Springs, Texas,
Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
May God continue to bless you Israel. Do not let the American press fool you. You have many friends here in Texas that are praying for you and stand behind you. You are God's chosen people and as Christians we have been saved through you. People here and in the rest of the "God Fearing" South are hopefully awakening to the treachery taking place by this closet muslim elected. By all means, please settle the land promised to you by God. Do not be intimidated by that agent of satan.
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